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Recovering data from a corrupted RealDB??   -   Jim Meyer
  Re: Recovering data from a corrupted RealDB??   -   FOlkeN
   Re: Recovering data from a corrupted RealDB??   -   Seth Willits
   Re: Recovering data from a corrupted RealDB??   -   Geoff Perlman
    Re: Recovering data from a corrupted RealDB??   -   FOlkeN
   Recovering data from a corrupted RealDB??   -   FOlkeN
    Re: Recovering data from a corrupted RealDB??   -   Norman Palardy
  Re: Recovering data from a corrupted RealDB??   -   James Lucas
  Re: Recovering data from a corrupted RealDB??   -   Joseph J. Strout
   Re: Recovering data from a corrupted RealDB??   -   Norman Palardy
    Re: Recovering data from a corrupted RealDB??   -   Joseph J. Strout
   Re: Recovering data from a corrupted RealDB??   -   Christian Miller
    Re: Recovering data from a corrupted RealDB??   -   Joseph J. Strout
  Re: Recovering data from a corrupted RealDB??   -   Jim Meyer
   Re: Recovering data from a corrupted RealDB??   -   Geoff Perlman
   Re: Recovering data from a corrupted RealDB??   -   Joseph J. Strout

Recovering data from a corrupted RealDB??
Date: 12.12.02 19:21 (Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:21:34 -0500)
From: Jim Meyer
If some one could figure out how to do this I would buy it!

I have looked at the files and have asked RB for some specs on the structure
but got nowhere.

Jim

> From: "REALbasic Network Users Group"<<email address removed>>
> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:15:04 -0600
> To: "REALbasic Network Users Group" <<email address removed>>
> Subject: REALbasic-NUG Digest #7439
>
> Subject: Re: Recovering data from a corrupted RealDB??
> From: "Norman Palardy" <<email address removed>>
> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:29:22 -0700
>
> None that I have ever encountered
>
> On Thursday, December 12, 2002, at 05:33 PM, FOlkeN wrote:
>
>> There's any way to recover data from a corrupted RealDB??

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Re: Recovering data from a corrupted RealDB??
Date: 13.12.02 03:47 (Thu, 12 Dec 2002 18:47:27 -0800)
From: FOlkeN
I've lost some important data and there's no backup (because someone
erased it...). I need to fix the database... :(
El Jueves, 12 diciembre, 2002, a las 10:21 AM, Jim Meyer escribió:

> If some one could figure out how to do this I would buy it!
>
> I have looked at the files and have asked RB for some specs on the
> structure
> but got nowhere.
>
> Jim
>
>> From: "REALbasic Network Users
>> Group"<<email address removed>>
>> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:15:04 -0600
>> To: "REALbasic Network Users Group"
>> <<email address removed>>
>> Subject: REALbasic-NUG Digest #7439
>>
>> Subject: Re: Recovering data from a corrupted RealDB??
>> From: "Norman Palardy" <<email address removed>>
>> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:29:22 -0700
>>
>> None that I have ever encountered
>>
>> On Thursday, December 12, 2002, at 05:33 PM, FOlkeN wrote:
>>
>>> There's any way to recover data from a corrupted RealDB??
>
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Re: Recovering data from a corrupted RealDB??
Date: 12.12.02 23:09 (Thu, 12 Dec 2002 14:09:21 -0800)
From: Seth Willits
On 12/12/02 6:47 PM, the NSA intercepted the following message from "FOlkeN"
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> I've lost some important data and there's no backup (because someone
> erased it...). I need to fix the database... :(

Well there's no going back. That's unfixable.


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Re: Recovering data from a corrupted RealDB??
Date: 13.12.02 08:08 (Fri, 13 Dec 2002 01:08:10 -0600)
From: Geoff Perlman
On 12/12/02 8:47 PM, "FOlkeN" <<email address removed>> wrote:

> I've lost some important data and there's no backup (because someone
> erased it...). I need to fix the database... :(
> El Jueves, 12 diciembre, 2002, a las 10:21 AM, Jim Meyer escribió:

Please contact Mike Bailey at REAL Software (<email address removed>) and send
him your database. He can attempt to recover it for you.
-

Re: Recovering data from a corrupted RealDB??
Date: 14.12.02 01:22 (Fri, 13 Dec 2002 16:22:19 -0800)
From: FOlkeN
Thanks Geoff!!! :)

El Jueves, 12 diciembre, 2002, a las 11:08 PM, Geoff Perlman escribió:

> On 12/12/02 8:47 PM, "FOlkeN" <<email address removed>> wrote:
>
>> I've lost some important data and there's no backup (because someone
>> erased it...). I need to fix the database... :(
>> El Jueves, 12 diciembre, 2002, a las 10:21 AM, Jim Meyer escribió:
>
> Please contact Mike Bailey at REAL Software (<email address removed>)
> and send
> him your database. He can attempt to recover it for you.
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Recovering data from a corrupted RealDB??
Date: 13.12.02 01:33 (Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:33:58 -0800)
From: FOlkeN
There's any way to recover data from a corrupted RealDB??

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Re: Recovering data from a corrupted RealDB??
Date: 12.12.02 18:29 (Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:29:22 -0700)
From: Norman Palardy
None that I have ever encountered

On Thursday, December 12, 2002, at 05:33 PM, FOlkeN wrote:

> There's any way to recover data from a corrupted RealDB??

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Re: Recovering data from a corrupted RealDB??
Date: 13.12.02 05:33 (Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:33:13 +1100)
From: James Lucas
>Subject: Recovering data from a corrupted RealDB??
>From: "Jim Meyer" <<email address removed>>
>Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:21:34 -0500
>
>If some one could figure out how to do this I would buy it!
>
>I have looked at the files and have asked RB for some specs on the structure
>but got nowhere.
>

I have also asked RS previously for the specification for the REALdatabase but
have never got a reply. If they would release these details I’m pretty sure a
recovery program could be created (Even partial recovery).

I’m not sure but from looking at the database it looks like it sets a marker
when it is open and won’t allow another connection while it is open, when the
application crases this database is left open (marker still there) and no one
can connect to it.

Joe or someone else in RS can the specifications for the REALdatabase be
released, especially since there is going to be a completely new database in
version 5? If not is there some reason why it cannot be released?

- James

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Re: Recovering data from a corrupted RealDB??
Date: 13.12.02 06:00 (Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:00:15 -0800)
From: Joseph J. Strout
At 3:33 PM +1100 12/13/02, James Lucas wrote:

>I have also asked RS previously for the specification for the REALdatabase but
>have never got a reply.

I'm sure you got a reply, just not the reply you were hoping for.

It is impractical to release the spec for the current REALdatabase
format, and rather pointless too since that format will be obsolete
in the nearish future.

Cheers,
- Joe

Re: Recovering data from a corrupted RealDB??
Date: 13.12.02 06:17 (Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:17:50 -0700)
From: Norman Palardy
Is the physical db storage format going to be changed for v5 ?

I'd understood from Geoff's other messages that v5 would likely not
make changes to the SQL engine, but from you message it sounds like the
storage format may change soon ?

On Thursday, December 12, 2002, at 10:00 PM, Joseph J. Strout wrote:

> At 3:33 PM +1100 12/13/02, James Lucas wrote:
>
>> I have also asked RS previously for the specification for the
>> REALdatabase but
>> have never got a reply.
>
> I'm sure you got a reply, just not the reply you were hoping for.
>
> It is impractical to release the spec for the current REALdatabase
> format, and rather pointless too since that format will be obsolete in
> the nearish future.
>

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Re: Recovering data from a corrupted RealDB??
Date: 13.12.02 07:25 (Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:25:12 -0800)
From: Joseph J. Strout
At 10:17 PM -0700 12/12/02, Norman Palardy wrote:

>Is the physical db storage format going to be changed for v5 ?

I can't say if it'll be for v5, but it will be fairly soon.

Cheers,
- Joe

Re: Recovering data from a corrupted RealDB??
Date: 13.12.02 06:32 (Fri, 13 Dec 2002 00:32:22 -0500)
From: Christian Miller
Where can I find the details on the new database? Thanks.

On Friday, December 13, 2002, at 12:00 AM, Joseph J. Strout wrote:

> At 3:33 PM +1100 12/13/02, James Lucas wrote:
>
>> I have also asked RS previously for the specification for the
>> REALdatabase but
>> have never got a reply.
>
> I'm sure you got a reply, just not the reply you were hoping for.
>
> It is impractical to release the spec for the current REALdatabase
> format, and rather pointless too since that format will be obsolete in
> the nearish future.
>

Re: Recovering data from a corrupted RealDB??
Date: 13.12.02 07:26 (Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:26:19 -0800)
From: Joseph J. Strout
At 12:32 AM -0500 12/13/02, Christian Miller wrote:

>Where can I find the details on the new database? Thanks.

In the release notes and Read Me's that will appear when and if the
new database engine does. And you'll learn about that, in turn, via
the betas mailing list.

Cheers,
- Joe

Re: Recovering data from a corrupted RealDB??
Date: 13.12.02 15:03 (Fri, 13 Dec 2002 09:03:51 -0500)
From: Jim Meyer
Joe.....

To say it is "impractical" with out a reason it not very convincing to us
that need it...... and to say it is "pointless" when there are and will be
for a long time applications that use the current format is flat-out
incorrect.

Jim

> From: "REALbasic Network Users Group"<<email address removed>>
> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 23:31:42 -0600
> To: "REALbasic Network Users Group" <<email address removed>>
> Subject: REALbasic-NUG Digest #7442
>
> Subject: Re: Recovering data from a corrupted RealDB??
> From: "Joseph J. Strout" <<email address removed>>
> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:00:15 -0800
>
> At 3:33 PM +1100 12/13/02, James Lucas wrote:
>
>> I have also asked RS previously for the specification for the REALdatabase
>> but
>> have never got a reply.
>
> I'm sure you got a reply, just not the reply you were hoping for.
>
> It is impractical to release the spec for the current REALdatabase
> format, and rather pointless too since that format will be obsolete
> in the nearish future.
>
> Cheers,
> - Joe
>
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Re: Recovering data from a corrupted RealDB??
Date: 13.12.02 19:16 (Fri, 13 Dec 2002 12:16:07 -0600)
From: Geoff Perlman
On 12/13/02 8:03 AM, "Jim Meyer" <<email address removed>> wrote:

> To say it is "impractical" with out a reason it not very convincing to us
> that need it...... and to say it is "pointless" when there are and will be
> for a long time applications that use the current format is flat-out
> incorrect.

Wee have a database recovery tool that we are testing. If you are having a
problem, please contact <email address removed>.

We don't want to spend the time documenting the current database engine in a
way that the average user can understand because it's being replaced with a
far better solution.

Re: Recovering data from a corrupted RealDB??
Date: 13.12.02 19:17 (Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:17:25 -0800)
From: Joseph J. Strout
At 9:03 AM -0500 12/13/02, Jim Meyer wrote:

>To say it is "impractical" with out a reason it not very convincing to us
>that need it......

Well, you may have to take our word for it on that.

> and to say it is "pointless" when there are and will be for a long
>time applications that use the current format is flat-out incorrect.

You may be right about this (though I still doubt it). But it's
impractical regardless, so there's not much point in debating how
useful it would be.

Cheers,
- Joe