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| Will REALbasic Ever allow ...? |
| Date: 12.12.02 01:06 (Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:06:49 -0800) |
| From: Cecil Taylor |
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When will the RB syntax discard the concept of the "line" and allow such encoding such as: if a = b or c = d or e = f then ... end if I would even accept ending each line with a "continuation" character. CT --- A searchable archive of this list is available at: <http://dbserver.realsoftware.com/KBDB/search.php> Unsubscribe: <mailto:<email address removed>> Subscribe to the digest: <mailto:<email address removed>> |
| Re: Will REALbasic Ever allow ...? |
| Date: 12.12.02 01:43 (Wed, 11 Dec 2002 19:43:34 -0500) |
| From: Tom McGrath |
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Soft wrap is BAD when it comes to programming. I cannot stand most text
editors when I do my perl stuff because I can't easily tell when one line ends and another begins. It's just frustrating. I am SOOOOOOOO thankful that RB doesn't do this, or I wouldn't/couldn't use it. Now, as with all Macintosh stuff, we should have the option, but who would use it? I think you'd get code that is a lot harder to follow. The automatic indenting is great. When I distribute my PERL programs, I'm always getting comments about "oh your code is so easy to follow" blah blah blah. If you indent wrapping lines, then it becomes difficult to tell the difference between one a set of code in a routine and the routine definition. I think your best bet is to get use to the "no text wrap" feature because it keeps code MUCH cleaner. [ although, really long lines of code cause great speed issues in REALbasic ] On Wednesday, December 11, 2002, at 07:06 PM, Cecil Taylor wrote: > When will the RB syntax discard the concept of the "line" and allow > such encoding such as: > > if a = b or > c = d or > e = f then > ... > end if > > I would even accept ending each line with a "continuation" character. - Tom McGrath Head of the ZeeTox Project and lead programmer for The ZAZ Contact me with iChat or AOL Instant Messenger: zazTekcor --- A searchable archive of this list is available at: <http://dbserver.realsoftware.com/KBDB/search.php> Unsubscribe: <mailto:<email address removed>> Subscribe to the digest: <mailto:<email address removed>> |
| Re: Will REALbasic Ever allow ...? |
| Date: 12.12.02 02:00 (Thu, 12 Dec 2002 14:00:05 +1300 (NZDT)) |
| From: Greg Ewing |
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Tom McGrath <<email address removed>>:
> Soft wrap is BAD when it comes to programming. What was being asked for wasn't soft wrapping, rather the ability to manually insert (hard) line breaks. The lack of this annoys me, too. Greg Ewing, Computer Science Dept, +--------------------------------------+ University of Canterbury, | A citizen of NewZealandCorp, a | Christchurch, New Zealand | wholly-owned subsidiary of USA Inc. | <email address removed> +--------------------------------------+ --- A searchable archive of this list is available at: <http://dbserver.realsoftware.com/KBDB/search.php> Unsubscribe: <mailto:<email address removed>> Subscribe to the digest: <mailto:<email address removed>> |
| Re: Will REALbasic Ever allow ...? |
| Date: 12.12.02 03:46 (Wed, 11 Dec 2002 18:46:44 -0800) |
| From: Cecil Taylor |
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> >> Soft wrap is BAD when it comes to programming. > > What was being asked for wasn't soft wrapping, rather > the ability to manually insert (hard) line breaks. > > The lack of this annoys me, too. Thanks for the clarification Greg. CT --- A searchable archive of this list is available at: <http://dbserver.realsoftware.com/KBDB/search.php> Unsubscribe: <mailto:<email address removed>> Subscribe to the digest: <mailto:<email address removed>> |
| Re: Will REALbasic Ever allow ...? |
| Date: 12.12.02 06:12 (Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:12:59 -0800) |
| From: Joseph J. Strout |
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At 7:43 PM -0500 12/11/02, Tom McGrath wrote:
>I think your best bet is to get use to the "no text wrap" feature >because it keeps code MUCH cleaner. In general I agree, though some lines are just too long to be seen at once. Such lines would benefit from wrapping if it were done properly. For example, the way lines are wrapped in code listings in RB Developer seems very readable to me. >[ although, really long lines of code cause great speed issues in REALbasic ] What?!? Cheers, - Joe |
| Re: Will REALbasic Ever allow ...? |
| Date: 12.12.02 06:44 (Thu, 12 Dec 2002 00:44:27 -0500) |
| From: Kevin Ballard |
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It's been improved, but the longer the line of code is, the longer it
takes RB to redraw the editfield. What's really annoying for me is typing off the edge, it scrolls really slowly, and the characters are typed really slowly, so if I'm typing a long line I generally get 10-20 characters ahead of what's being displayed in the keyboard queue. It's anoying, but once I stop typing I just wait 5 seconds and it's caught up. On Thursday, December 12, 2002, at 12:12 AM, Joseph J. Strout wrote: > At 7:43 PM -0500 12/11/02, Tom McGrath wrote: > >> I think your best bet is to get use to the "no text wrap" feature >> because it keeps code MUCH cleaner. > > In general I agree, though some lines are just too long to be seen at > once. Such lines would benefit from wrapping if it were done > properly. For example, the way lines are wrapped in code listings in > RB Developer seems very readable to me. > >> [ although, really long lines of code cause great speed issues in >> REALbasic ] > > What?!? |
| Re: Will REALbasic Ever allow ...? |
| Date: 12.12.02 07:02 (Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:02:48 -0800) |
| From: Joseph J. Strout |
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At 12:44 AM -0500 12/12/02, Kevin Ballard wrote:
>It's been improved, but the longer the line of code is, the longer >it takes RB to redraw the editfield. You mean the code editor? Ah. I thought you meant that it somehow made the compiled code slower... Cheers, - Joe P.S. It's not an EditField; if it were, it'd probably be quite a bit faster. |
| Re: Will REALbasic Ever allow ...? |
| Date: 12.12.02 16:32 (Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:32:23 -0600) |
| From: Thomas Reed |
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>Soft wrap is BAD when it comes to programming. [...]
> >Now, as with all Macintosh stuff, we should have the option, but who >would use it? I would. Not often, but every now and then there's a line that's just painful, and there's no elegant way to split it up. >I think you'd get code that is a lot harder to follow. In general, I agree with you. Code with excessive use of single statements that cover multiple lines is nasty. But sometimes it's useful. |
| Re: Will REALbasic Ever allow ...? |
| Date: 12.12.02 22:38 (Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:38:29 +1300 (NZDT)) |
| From: Greg Ewing |
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Thomas Reed <<email address removed>>:
> Code with excessive use of single > statements that cover multiple lines is nasty. But sometimes it's > useful. And sometimes long statements are unavoidable, as when you have a method call with many parameters, and you want what you're passing to each one to have a readable name. But the single worst trouble spot of this kind in RB has to be the method headers. Not only do you not get any choice about how they're displayed, you can't even edit them in the code window -- you have to use another widget for this, with a very limited space for typing in the parameter list. It also doesn't help that you have to specify the type of each parameter individually (unlike dim statements where a series of variables with the same type can share the same type specifier). Maybe this is a conspiracy to discourage us from giving our methods too many parameters? :-) Greg Ewing, Computer Science Dept, +--------------------------------------+ University of Canterbury, | A citizen of NewZealandCorp, a | Christchurch, New Zealand | wholly-owned subsidiary of USA Inc. | <email address removed> +--------------------------------------+ --- A searchable archive of this list is available at: <http://dbserver.realsoftware.com/KBDB/search.php> Unsubscribe: <mailto:<email address removed>> Subscribe to the digest: <mailto:<email address removed>> |
| Re: Will REALbasic Ever allow ...? |
| Date: 12.12.02 03:58 (Wed, 11 Dec 2002 20:58:44 -0600) |
| From: Geoff Perlman |
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On 12/11/02 6:06 PM, "Cecil Taylor" <<email address removed>> wrote:
> When will the RB syntax discard the concept of the "line" and allow such > encoding such as: > > if a = b or > c = d or > e = f then > ... > end if > > I would even accept ending each line with a "continuation" character. A line continuation character is something we will eventually add to RB. |
| Re: Will REALbasic Ever allow ...? |
| Date: 12.12.02 04:24 (Wed, 11 Dec 2002 19:24:47 -0800) |
| From: Cecil Taylor |
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On Wednesday, December 11, 2002, at 06:58 PM, Geoff Perlman wrote: > On 12/11/02 6:06 PM, "Cecil Taylor" <<email address removed>> wrote: > >> When will the RB syntax discard the concept of the "line" and allow >> such >> encoding such as: >> >> if a = b or >> c = d or >> e = f then >> ... >> end if >> >> I would even accept ending each line with a "continuation" character. > > A line continuation character is something we will eventually add to RB. Thanks Geoff. I hope "eventually" means 5.0 :-)!! CT --- A searchable archive of this list is available at: <http://dbserver.realsoftware.com/KBDB/search.php> Unsubscribe: <mailto:<email address removed>> Subscribe to the digest: <mailto:<email address removed>> |
| Re: Will REALbasic Ever allow ...? |
| Date: 12.12.02 04:54 (Wed, 11 Dec 2002 19:54:41 -0800) |
| From: William Mahaffey |
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I do most of my work on an ibook.
It seems one "and" statement is enough to require me to remember what is off screen when reading a source line, and often scrolling back and forth multiple times. let's see now. Which way is more enjoyable? Which is more effective and easy to use? Which looks better? I don't understand how one can prefer a single very long line. But, hey,...... bill On Wednesday, Dec 11, 2002, at 19:24 US/Pacific, Cecil Taylor wrote: > > On Wednesday, December 11, 2002, at 06:58 PM, Geoff Perlman wrote: > >> On 12/11/02 6:06 PM, "Cecil Taylor" <<email address removed>> wrote: >> >>> When will the RB syntax discard the concept of the "line" and allow >>> such >>> encoding such as: >>> >>> if a = b or >>> c = d or >>> e = f then >>> ... >>> end if >>> >>> I would even accept ending each line with a "continuation" character. >> >> A line continuation character is something we will eventually add to >> RB. > > Thanks Geoff. I hope "eventually" means 5.0 :-)!! > > CT > > --- > A searchable archive of this list is available at: > <http://dbserver.realsoftware.com/KBDB/search.php> > Unsubscribe: > <mailto:<email address removed>> > Subscribe to the digest: > <mailto:<email address removed>> ------------------------------------------------- Darn right I'm good in bed. I can sleep for days! --- A searchable archive of this list is available at: <http://dbserver.realsoftware.com/KBDB/search.php> Unsubscribe: <mailto:<email address removed>> Subscribe to the digest: <mailto:<email address removed>> |
| Re: Will REALbasic Ever allow ...? |
| Date: 12.12.02 04:59 (Wed, 11 Dec 2002 19:59:44 -0800) |
| From: Will Leshner |
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Perhaps you haven't stared at a bunch of badly formated C source. Of
course, thousands of #if's doesn't help matters :) On Wednesday, December 11, 2002, at 07:54 PM, William Mahaffey wrote: > I don't understand how one can prefer a single very long line. --- A searchable archive of this list is available at: <http://dbserver.realsoftware.com/KBDB/search.php> Unsubscribe: <mailto:<email address removed>> Subscribe to the digest: <mailto:<email address removed>> |
| Re: Will REALbasic Ever allow ...? |
| Date: 12.12.02 05:05 (Wed, 11 Dec 2002 23:05:54 -0500) |
| From: Tom McGrath |
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Yes, those of us who started with most any other language where we use
text files, the feature in question would actually make things more difficult. Those who started on REALbasic would probably be longing for this. Here's a top until then - make your font smaller. I think 10pt Monaco works very well. On Wednesday, December 11, 2002, at 10:59 PM, Will Leshner wrote: > Perhaps you haven't stared at a bunch of badly formated C source. |
| Re: Will REALbasic Ever allow ...? |
| Date: 12.12.02 16:43 (Thu, 12 Dec 2002 07:43:03 -0800) |
| From: William Mahaffey |
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On Wednesday, Dec 11, 2002, at 19:59 US/Pacific, Will Leshner wrote: > Perhaps you haven't stared at a bunch of badly formated C source. Of > course, thousands of #if's doesn't help matters :) > I have spent many years looking at C code..let's see...how old is "C"?.... So long so that I have learned to actually prefer assembler. (BAL was the first language I learned. Since forgotten(thankfully!) Anyway, in many cases badly formatted is a matter of taste...too often a matter of convenience. I would prefer looking at the code formatted in the way I want it to be, not as some "format police" dictate. Certainly a "modern" IDE can be user friendly, can it not? bill ------------------------- UNIX should be used as an adjective. -- AT&T --- A searchable archive of this list is available at: <http://dbserver.realsoftware.com/KBDB/search.php> Unsubscribe: <mailto:<email address removed>> Subscribe to the digest: <mailto:<email address removed>> |
| Re: Will REALbasic Ever allow ...? |
| Date: 12.12.02 17:00 (Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:00:18 -0800) |
| From: Will Leshner |
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Yes. I agree with that. I just wish my co-workers did :)
On Thursday, December 12, 2002, at 07:43 AM, William Mahaffey wrote: > I would prefer looking at the code formatted in the way I want it > to be --- A searchable archive of this list is available at: <http://dbserver.realsoftware.com/KBDB/search.php> Unsubscribe: <mailto:<email address removed>> Subscribe to the digest: <mailto:<email address removed>> |
| Re: Will REALbasic Ever allow ...? |
| Date: 12.12.02 18:30 (Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:30:59 -0600) |
| From: Geoff Perlman |
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On 12/11/02 9:24 PM, "Cecil Taylor" <<email address removed>> wrote:
> Thanks Geoff. I hope "eventually" means 5.0 :-)!! Unfortunately, it doesn't. |
| Re: Will REALbasic Ever allow ...? |
| Date: 14.12.02 21:10 (Sat, 14 Dec 2002 21:10:03 +0100) |
| From: Tony Spencer |
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He couldn't possibly comment on that... ;-)
On Thursday, December 12, 2002, at 04:24 am, Cecil Taylor wrote: >> A line continuation character is something we will eventually add to >> RB. > > Thanks Geoff. I hope "eventually" means 5.0 :-)!! Tony Spencer St Etienne du Grès, (13) France <email address removed> http://homepage.mac.com/tonyspencer/ --- A searchable archive of this list is available at: <http://dbserver.realsoftware.com/KBDB/search.php> Unsubscribe: <mailto:<email address removed>> Subscribe to the digest: <mailto:<email address removed>> |
| Re: Will REALbasic Ever allow ...? |
| Date: 12.12.02 17:57 (Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:57:24 -0600) |
| From: Thomas Reed |
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>Soft wrap is BAD when it comes to programming. [...]
> >Now, as with all Macintosh stuff, we should have the option, but who >would use it? I would. Not often, but every now and then there's a line that's just painful, and there's no elegant way to split it up. >I think you'd get code that is a lot harder to follow. In general, I agree with you. Code with excessive use of single statements that cover multiple lines is nasty. But sometimes it's useful. (Sorry if this is a repost, Earthlink was having e-mail trouble earlier and I don't think these came through...) |