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  Flash content   -   Eric Richards
   Re: Flash content   -   Stephen Tallent
   Re: Flash content   -   Eric Richards
    Re: Flash content   -   Fargo Holiday
   Re: Flash content   -   Eric Richards
    Re: Flash content   -   Fargo Holiday
   Re: Flash content   -   Michael Diehr
   Re: Flash content   -   Eric Richards
   Re: Flash content   -   Giovanni
   Re: Flash content   -   Giovanni
   Re: Flash content   -   Giovanni
   Re: Flash content   -   Eric Richards
    Re: Flash content   -   Fargo Holiday
   Re: Flash content   -   Eric Richards
   Re: Flash content   -   Eric Richards
   Re: Flash content   -   Giovanni
   Re: Flash content   -   Giovanni
   Re: Flash content   -   Eric Richards

Flash content
Date: 30.07.08 16:30 (Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:30:25 -0500)
From: Eric Richards
Hi -

Can you display Flash content in Rb ?

If possible what's the minimum version of Rb needed ?

Someone asked me about a chat world and
being able to display flash content.

Thanks




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Re: Flash content
Date: 30.07.08 17:03 (Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:03:22 -0500)
From: Stephen Tallent
The easiest option here is to use the HTMLViewer control which will support
the latest versions of Flash. Quicktime can work for older swf versions, but
nothing modern enough to be feasible for a "chat world". And if you need
closer integration with RB from Flash you can just use a socket.
-stephen

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Eric Richards <<email address removed>>wrote:

> Hi -
>
> Can you display Flash content in Rb ?
>
> If possible what's the minimum version of Rb needed ?
>
> Someone asked me about a chat world and
> being able to display flash content.
>
> Thanks
>
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Re: Flash content
Date: 30.07.08 18:06 (Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:06:35 -0500)
From: Eric Richards
Ah.. I see.

I think they wanted to make a chat app (3D at some point)
and be able to display flash content inside or something like that.

On Jul 30, 2008, at 11:03 AM, Stephen Tallent wrote:

> The easiest option here is to use the HTMLViewer control which will
> support
> the latest versions of Flash. Quicktime can work for older swf
> versions, but
> nothing modern enough to be feasible for a "chat world". And if
> you need
> closer integration with RB from Flash you can just use a socket.
> -stephen
>
> On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Eric Richards
> <<email address removed>>wrote:
>
>> Hi -
>>
>> Can you display Flash content in Rb ?
>>
>> If possible what's the minimum version of Rb needed ?
>>
>> Someone asked me about a chat world and
>> being able to display flash content.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
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Re: Flash content
Date: 30.07.08 18:59 (Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:59:20 -0700)
From: Fargo Holiday
Not to suggest RB can't be made to do something, but you may want to try
java for something like that. Also, competing with Google's Lively is
likely to be... challenging.

Remember, this is just the opinion of one guy on the internet, and I can
be a real jerk.

Best of luck,
Fargo

Eric Richards wrote:
> Ah.. I see.
>
> I think they wanted to make a chat app (3D at some point)
> and be able to display flash content inside or something like that.
>
> On Jul 30, 2008, at 11:03 AM, Stephen Tallent wrote:
>
>> The easiest option here is to use the HTMLViewer control which will
>> support
>> the latest versions of Flash. Quicktime can work for older swf
>> versions, but
>> nothing modern enough to be feasible for a "chat world". And if you
>> need
>> closer integration with RB from Flash you can just use a socket.
>> -stephen
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Eric Richards
>> <<email address removed>>wrote:
>>
>>> Hi -
>>>
>>> Can you display Flash content in Rb ?
>>>
>>> If possible what's the minimum version of Rb needed ?
>>>
>>> Someone asked me about a chat world and
>>> being able to display flash content.
>>>
>>> Thanks

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Re: Flash content
Date: 30.07.08 19:19 (Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:19:18 -0500)
From: Eric Richards

On Jul 30, 2008, at 12:59 PM, Fargo Holiday wrote:

> Not to suggest RB can't be made to do something, but you may want to
> try java for something like that. Also, competing with Google's
> Lively is likely to be... challenging.
>
> Remember, this is just the opinion of one guy on the internet, and I
> can be a real jerk.
>
> Best of luck,
> Fargo

Lively... humm never used it.
I'm not sure what they want would be for the general public use,
so I think competing with google wouldn't be an issue, well as far
as I know anyway.

The choice of the language was more or less open. There is Flash, which
I don't know enough to do that, Java I know some but not a lot, C++
dito..,
and Rb.

Rb could do the chat part, I think but adding the flash content could
be a problem.

Thanks

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Re: Flash content
Date: 30.07.08 19:41 (Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:41:34 -0700)
From: Fargo Holiday
Eric Richards wrote:
>
> On Jul 30, 2008, at 12:59 PM, Fargo Holiday wrote:
>
>> Not to suggest RB can't be made to do something, but you may want to
>> try java for something like that. Also, competing with Google's Lively
>> is likely to be... challenging.
>>
>> Remember, this is just the opinion of one guy on the internet, and I
>> can be a real jerk.
>>
>> Best of luck,
>> Fargo
>
> Lively... humm never used it.
> I'm not sure what they want would be for the general public use,
> so I think competing with google wouldn't be an issue, well as far
> as I know anyway.
>
> The choice of the language was more or less open. There is Flash, which
> I don't know enough to do that, Java I know some but not a lot, C++ dito..,
> and Rb.
>
> Rb could do the chat part, I think but adding the flash content could
> be a problem.
>
> Thanks

Lively is brand new, still in alpha I think, but it's essentially a 3d
chatroom sort of deal. I haven't checked it out because the linux
version isn't available yet. I believe it's all in browser.

I think straight Flash would be difficult to get any real degree of 3d
in, and I've always found it a pain the butt to get it to do much of
anything. Doing chat with RB is about as dead simple as it gets, but
depending on what all you want to do with the Flash elements I'm sure it
could be very difficult.

I suggest Java solely because it's fairly mature, from what I've seen,
when it comes to mixing and matching media elements, as well as offering
cross platform options. It's also a pain in the butt, especially
compared to RB, but that's how it rolls.

Maybe you can describe some of what you want to do, see if anyone here
has an idea on how to do it?

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Re: Flash content
Date: 30.07.08 20:10 (Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:10:18 -0700)
From: Michael Diehr
On Jul 30, 2008, at 9:03 AM, Stephen Tallent wrote:

> The easiest option here is to use the HTMLViewer control which will
> support
> the latest versions of Flash.

Yes

> Quicktime can work for older swf versions, but
> nothing modern enough to be feasible for a "chat world".

Partially true from QuickTime 7.13 thru 7.3.0, but no longer true as
of QuickTime 7.3.1 and later : see http://iscreensaver.com/qt713.shtml

As a result, HTMLViewer is the way to go...

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Re: Flash content
Date: 30.07.08 21:57 (Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:57:56 -0500)
From: Eric Richards
>>
> Lively is brand new, still in alpha I think, but it's essentially a
> 3d chatroom sort of deal. I haven't checked it out because the linux
> version isn't available yet. I believe it's all in browser.
>
> I think straight Flash would be difficult to get any real degree of
> 3d in, and I've always found it a pain the butt to get it to do much
> of anything. Doing chat with RB is about as dead simple as it gets,
> but depending on what all you want to do with the Flash elements I'm
> sure it could be very difficult.
>
> I suggest Java solely because it's fairly mature, from what I've
> seen, when it comes to mixing and matching media elements, as well
> as offering cross platform options. It's also a pain in the butt,
> especially compared to RB, but that's how it rolls.
>
> Maybe you can describe some of what you want to do, see if anyone
> here has an idea on how to do it?

Guess I haven't used google for much except for searching and maps.

yeah flash it self really doesn't do 3D, think you need some sort of
plug in or something.

Well it's not so much what I want to, as is what I was asked.
I was asked -
" chat program that eventually would allow people to customize
their avatar and allow chat the world. Wouldn't need to be 3d at
the start but eventually
would be the way to go."

"as long as down the road we can at least display flash content in the
chat session"

But if I can't its not a big deal being it's not a high priority, also
its an idea they were kicking around.

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Re: Flash content
Date: 30.07.08 22:24 (Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:24:11 -0700)
From: Giovanni
Use FLEX and deploy as AIR.

Its all flash. There is things you have to consider like what type of
chat will they have, is it available? since it is available why make
yet ANOTHER CHAT?

In the server end, RED5 which relies on java. On the client end use
FLEX or flash and deploy as an AIR application.

Kind regards,

Giovanni
<email address removed>


On Jul 30, 2008, at 10:06 AM, Eric Richards wrote:

> Ah.. I see.
>
> I think they wanted to make a chat app (3D at some point)
> and be able to display flash content inside or something like that.
>
> On Jul 30, 2008, at 11:03 AM, Stephen Tallent wrote:
>
>> The easiest option here is to use the HTMLViewer control which will
>> support
>> the latest versions of Flash. Quicktime can work for older swf
>> versions, but
>> nothing modern enough to be feasible for a "chat world". And if
>> you need
>> closer integration with RB from Flash you can just use a socket.
>> -stephen
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Eric Richards <<email address removed>
>> >wrote:
>>
>>> Hi -
>>>
>>> Can you display Flash content in Rb ?
>>>
>>> If possible what's the minimum version of Rb needed ?
>>>
>>> Someone asked me about a chat world and
>>> being able to display flash content.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: Flash content
Date: 30.07.08 22:28 (Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:28:02 -0700)
From: Giovanni
I forgot to say, dont mess with RB. RB is not even close to being able
what you need. Use the best tool suited for what you need.

RB:
NO 3D unless you cook it yourself for an application in that level.
NO Flash support whatsoever.
NO True do once and deploy many times, you will run in to a block
somewhere in the development.

Flash: Multiplatform, you can now deploy on AIR which will allow your
clients to have a desktop app if need be.

Version 10 of flash is supposed to have some cool things like true 3D
support and p2p.

I am not saying RB is not good, I am just saying that RB is not the
tool to use in this one case. Specially because there is NO true X
platform flash solution that will work 100% of the time the same way.

Kind regards,

Giovanni
<email address removed>


On Jul 30, 2008, at 10:06 AM, Eric Richards wrote:

> Ah.. I see.
>
> I think they wanted to make a chat app (3D at some point)
> and be able to display flash content inside or something like that.
>
> On Jul 30, 2008, at 11:03 AM, Stephen Tallent wrote:
>
>> The easiest option here is to use the HTMLViewer control which will
>> support
>> the latest versions of Flash. Quicktime can work for older swf
>> versions, but
>> nothing modern enough to be feasible for a "chat world". And if
>> you need
>> closer integration with RB from Flash you can just use a socket.
>> -stephen
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Eric Richards <<email address removed>
>> >wrote:
>>
>>> Hi -
>>>
>>> Can you display Flash content in Rb ?
>>>
>>> If possible what's the minimum version of Rb needed ?
>>>
>>> Someone asked me about a chat world and
>>> being able to display flash content.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: Flash content
Date: 31.07.08 00:06 (Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:06:47 -0700)
From: Giovanni
3d for flash? Look in to papervision or sandy3d.

They are projects that are 3d and you will be surprised how good those
3d apps work.

So yes 3d is available.

Giovanni
•••••••••••••••••

On Jul 30, 2008, at 1:57 PM, Eric Richards <<email address removed>>
wrote:

>>>
>> Lively is brand new, still in alpha I think, but it's essentially a
>> 3d chatroom sort of deal. I haven't checked it out because the
>> linux version isn't available yet. I believe it's all in browser.
>>
>> I think straight Flash would be difficult to get any real degree of
>> 3d in, and I've always found it a pain the butt to get it to do
>> much of anything. Doing chat with RB is about as dead simple as it
>> gets, but depending on what all you want to do with the Flash
>> elements I'm sure it could be very difficult.
>>
>> I suggest Java solely because it's fairly mature, from what I've
>> seen, when it comes to mixing and matching media elements, as well
>> as offering cross platform options. It's also a pain in the butt,
>> especially compared to RB, but that's how it rolls.
>>
>> Maybe you can describe some of what you want to do, see if anyone
>> here has an idea on how to do it?
>
> Guess I haven't used google for much except for searching and maps.
>
> yeah flash it self really doesn't do 3D, think you need some sort of
> plug in or something.
>
> Well it's not so much what I want to, as is what I was asked.
> I was asked -
> " chat program that eventually would allow people to customize
> their avatar and allow chat the world. Wouldn't need to be 3d at
> the start but eventually
> would be the way to go."
>
> "as long as down the road we can at least display flash content in
> the chat session"
>
> But if I can't its not a big deal being it's not a high priority,
> also its an idea they were kicking around.
>
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Re: Flash content
Date: 31.07.08 14:17 (Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:17:00 -0500)
From: Eric Richards

On Jul 30, 2008, at 4:24 PM, Giovanni wrote:

> Use FLEX and deploy as AIR.
>
> Its all flash. There is things you have to consider like what type
> of chat will they have, is it available? since it is available why
> make yet ANOTHER CHAT?
>
> In the server end, RED5 which relies on java. On the client end use
> FLEX or flash and deploy as an AIR application.
>

Never heard of FLEX or AIR..

They said they were "kicking around the idea of making there own
chat" not sure why,
perhaps for in house use, not really sure.

RED5 ???


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Re: Flash content
Date: 31.07.08 17:54 (Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:54:08 -0700)
From: Fargo Holiday
Eric Richards wrote:
>
> On Jul 30, 2008, at 4:24 PM, Giovanni wrote:
>
>> Use FLEX and deploy as AIR.
>>
>> Its all flash. There is things you have to consider like what type of
>> chat will they have, is it available? since it is available why make
>> yet ANOTHER CHAT?
>>
>> In the server end, RED5 which relies on java. On the client end use
>> FLEX or flash and deploy as an AIR application.
>>
> Never heard of FLEX or AIR..
>
> They said they were "kicking around the idea of making there own chat"
> not sure why,
> perhaps for in house use, not really sure.
>
> RED5 ???

I had forgotten about FLEX and AIR. The apps are very pretty and seem
stable, at least under linux. When first launched there were some sound
issues, because it was using OSS as I recall, but that seems to have
been resolved. Could definitely be worth looking at for you.

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Re: Flash content
Date: 31.07.08 14:19 (Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:19:20 -0500)
From: Eric Richards
>
> Flash: Multiplatform, you can now deploy on AIR which will allow
> your clients to have a desktop app if need be.
>
> Version 10 of flash is supposed to have some cool things like true
> 3D support and p2p.
>
> I am not saying RB is not good, I am just saying that RB is not the
> tool to use in this one case. Specially because there is NO true X
> platform flash solution that will work 100% of the time the same way.
>
I see.

They use Flash 8.

Well, good to know. Just checking to see what's possible.

Thanks!

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Re: Flash content
Date: 31.07.08 14:21 (Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:21:03 -0500)
From: Eric Richards

On Jul 30, 2008, at 6:06 PM, Giovanni wrote:

> 3d for flash? Look in to papervision or sandy3d.
>
> They are projects that are 3d and you will be surprised how good
> those 3d apps work.
>
> So yes 3d is available.

Ahh, yeha I've heard of papervisioon but never used it or sandy3d.

true, but from what I understand flash its self, doesn't do 3D, it
requires
something extra like papervision or what ever, at least in flash 8.


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Re: Flash content
Date: 31.07.08 19:34 (Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:34:19 -0700)
From: Giovanni
Red5 the opsnsource, flash media server. In a chat system, you
normally need a server.

For flash, if all you need is chat capability, you can do everything
with flash, php, mysql.

If you need video, then you would use Red5. The streaming server. It's
free and it works now.


Giovanni
•••••••••••••••••

On Jul 31, 2008, at 6:17 AM, Eric Richards <<email address removed>>
wrote:

>
> On Jul 30, 2008, at 4:24 PM, Giovanni wrote:
>
>> Use FLEX and deploy as AIR.
>>
>> Its all flash. There is things you have to consider like what type
>> of chat will they have, is it available? since it is available why
>> make yet ANOTHER CHAT?
>>
>> In the server end, RED5 which relies on java. On the client end use
>> FLEX or flash and deploy as an AIR application.
>>
> Never heard of FLEX or AIR..
>
> They said they were "kicking around the idea of making there own
> chat" not sure why,
> perhaps for in house use, not really sure.
>
> RED5 ???
>
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Re: Flash content
Date: 31.07.08 19:37 (Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:37:09 -0700)
From: Giovanni
Papervision, sandy3d, are 3d frameworks. So you just add the libraries
and you're in business.

They are opensouced also and very strong.

Giovanni
•••••••••••••••••

On Jul 31, 2008, at 6:21 AM, Eric Richards <<email address removed>>
wrote:

>
> On Jul 30, 2008, at 6:06 PM, Giovanni wrote:
>
>> 3d for flash? Look in to papervision or sandy3d.
>>
>> They are projects that are 3d and you will be surprised how good
>> those 3d apps work.
>>
>> So yes 3d is available.
>
> Ahh, yeha I've heard of papervisioon but never used it or sandy3d.
>
> true, but from what I understand flash its self, doesn't do 3D, it
> requires
> something extra like papervision or what ever, at least in flash 8.
>
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Re: Flash content
Date: 31.07.08 22:05 (Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:05:32 -0500)
From: Eric Richards
I see. well I'm some what "new" to flash.

A guess a lot depends on what my skills/knowledge will allow. ;-)

On Jul 31, 2008, at 1:34 PM, Giovanni wrote:

> Red5 the opsnsource, flash media server. In a chat system, you
> normally need a server.
>
> For flash, if all you need is chat capability, you can do everything
> with flash, php, mysql.
>
> If you need video, then you would use Red5. The streaming server.
> It's free and it works now.
>

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