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   Re: Use of Parallels   -   Tim Jones
   Re: Use of Parallels   -   Glenn L. Austin
   Re: Use of Parallels   -   Kem Tekinay
   Re: Use of Parallels   -   Norman Palardy
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   Re: Use of Parallels   -   Tim Jones
   Re: Use of Parallels   -   Keith DeLong
   Re: Use of Parallels   -   joseph
   Re: Use of Parallels   -   Apogee Development - Lists
   Re: Use of Parallels   -   Tim Jones
   Re: Use of Parallels   -   Apogee Development - Lists
    Re: Use of Parallels   -   Jose Maria Terry Jimenez
   Re: Use of Parallels   -   joseph
    Re: Use of Parallels   -   Kem Tekinay
   Re: Use of Parallels   -   Apogee Development - Lists
   Re: Use of Parallels   -   Glenn L. Austin
   Re: Use of Parallels   -   Tim Jones
   Re: Use of Parallels   -   Tim Jones
   Re: Use of Parallels   -   Tim Jones
   Re: Use of Parallels   -   Michael Diehr
   Re: Use of Parallels   -   Michael Diehr
   Re: Use of Parallels   -   joseph
   Re: Use of Parallels   -   Norman Palardy
   Re: Use of Parallels   -   Tim Jones
   Re: [OT] VM conversion WAS: Use of Parallels   -   wagnerj proaxis.com

Use of Parallels
Date: 27.01.09 16:14 (Tue, 27 Jan 2009 10:14:59 -0500)
From: Apogee Development - Lists
I've been used to debugging Windows apps using the remote debugger on
a separate Windows box. I now have an Intel Mac. Does the remote
debugger work with Parallels?

Thanks!
Joe Nastasi

Re: Use of Parallels
Date: 27.01.09 16:24 (Tue, 27 Jan 2009 08:24:52 -0700)
From: Tim Jones
On Jan 27, 2009, at 8:14 AM, Apogee Development - Lists wrote:

> I've been used to debugging Windows apps using the remote debugger
> on a separate Windows box. I now have an Intel Mac. Does the remote
> debugger work with Parallels?

Hi Joe,

All day, and all night :-). Also, it seems to work in Windows 7 Dev
release and BETA 1.

Tim

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Re: Use of Parallels
Date: 27.01.09 16:45 (Tue, 27 Jan 2009 07:45:36 -0800)
From: Glenn L. Austin
On Jan 27, 2009, at 7:14 AM, Apogee Development - Lists wrote:

> I've been used to debugging Windows apps using the remote debugger
> on a separate Windows box. I now have an Intel Mac. Does the remote
> debugger work with Parallels?

Yes it does.

I still have Windows boxes around for additional testing and
verification, but a lot of my testing is done on Parallels VMs.

Re: Use of Parallels
Date: 27.01.09 16:46 (Tue, 27 Jan 2009 10:46:30 -0500)
From: Kem Tekinay
On 1/27/09 10:14 AM, "Apogee Development - Lists" <<email address removed>>
wrote:

> I've been used to debugging Windows apps using the remote debugger on
> a separate Windows box. I now have an Intel Mac. Does the remote
> debugger work with Parallels?

Yes, that's how I do it, both for Windows and Linux.

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Re: Use of Parallels
Date: 27.01.09 17:06 (Tue, 27 Jan 2009 09:06:34 -0700)
From: Norman Palardy

On 27-Jan-09, at 8:14 AM, Apogee Development - Lists wrote:

> I've been used to debugging Windows apps using the remote debugger
> on a separate Windows box. I now have an Intel Mac. Does the remote
> debugger work with Parallels?

I've used it that way
the biggest challenge seems to be how you set up the networking in
parallels



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Re: Use of Parallels
Date: 27.01.09 17:08 (Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:08:24 -0500)
From: Apogee Development - Lists
Thanks to Tim, Glenn and Kem. Looks like I need to order Parallels.
(great song by Yes, btw ;-)
Thanks

On Jan 27, 2009, at 10:14 AM, Apogee Development - Lists wrote:

> I've been used to debugging Windows apps using the remote debugger
> on a separate Windows box. I now have an Intel Mac. Does the remote
> debugger work with Parallels?
>
> Thanks!
> Joe Nastasi
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Re: Use of Parallels
Date: 27.01.09 17:19 (Tue, 27 Jan 2009 09:19:47 -0700)
From: Tim Jones
On Jan 27, 2009, at 9:08 AM, Apogee Development - Lists wrote:

> Thanks to Tim, Glenn and Kem. Looks like I need to order
> Parallels. (great song by Yes, btw ;-)
> Thanks

Uh, if I can step in here before you buy. While I like Parallels and
it works "mostly" in my environment, I've had far greater success
with VMWare Fusion (I use both). Especially with Win 7 and some of
my other Unix variants.

Just my personal observations...

Tim

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Re: Use of Parallels
Date: 27.01.09 17:21 (Tue, 27 Jan 2009 08:21:18 -0800)
From: Keith DeLong
Hey Joe, Remote debugging works with Parallels.

Keith DeLong

> I've been used to debugging Windows apps using the remote debugger on
> a separate Windows box. I now have an Intel Mac. Does the remote
> debugger work with Parallels?
>
> Thanks!
> Joe Nastasi


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Re: Use of Parallels
Date: 27.01.09 17:39 (Tue, 27 Jan 2009 10:39:58 -0600)
From: joseph
If you have the time, and care to elaborate, I'm sure many of us would
be interested in hearing a balanced review.

- Joe

On Jan 27, 2009, at 10:19 AM, Tim Jones wrote:

> I've had far greater success with VMWare Fusion (I use both).

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Re: Use of Parallels
Date: 27.01.09 17:43 (Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:43:21 -0500)
From: Apogee Development - Lists
Now that you mention it, I seem to remember similar observations on
the Apple Store page 4 Parallels.
I used Parallels in 2007, but for Java, not RB.

Thanks 4 reminding me of VMWare.

On Jan 27, 2009, at 11:19 AM, Tim Jones wrote:

> On Jan 27, 2009, at 9:08 AM, Apogee Development - Lists wrote:
>
>> Thanks to Tim, Glenn and Kem. Looks like I need to order
>> Parallels. (great song by Yes, btw ;-)
>> Thanks
>
> Uh, if I can step in here before you buy. While I like Parallels
> and it works "mostly" in my environment, I've had far greater
> success with VMWare Fusion (I use both). Especially with Win 7 and
> some of my other Unix variants.
>
> Just my personal observations...
>
> Tim
>
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Re: Use of Parallels
Date: 27.01.09 17:59 (Tue, 27 Jan 2009 09:59:38 -0700)
From: Tim Jones
On Jan 27, 2009, at 9:39 AM, joseph wrote:

> If you have the time, and care to elaborate, I'm sure many of us
> would be interested in hearing a balanced review.

I love Parallels - for Windows XP and Windows 2000. It's also stable
with RH or Ubuntu Linux. However, when it comes to Other non-desktop
oriented Linuxes, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, SCO Unix, OpenSolaris / Solaris
10 x86, and 64 bit Vista, I'm seeing oddities with the display and
assigning more than one virtual processor (I've an 8 core Mac Pro),
causes odd "pauses" while running multi-processor aware apps within
the guest OSes.

I don't see any of that with VMWare Fusion on the "other" OSes.

And, VMWare let's me run ACID Pro under WinXP in Fusion mode (Windows
app runs without the Windows desktop visible) while I can only run it
under Parallels if the full Windows desktop is displayed instead of
in their "Coherence" mode.

If you're doing relatively "plain" Windows and Linux, you might also
consider Sun's vmBox. It's free and has matured very nicely. I
can't run SCO Unix under it on the Mac, but I have run Wind XP,
Vista, OpenSolaris, and Linuxes of all ilk successfully. ANd, the RB
Remote Debugger works in Windows XP and Vista there, as well.

Tim

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Re: Use of Parallels
Date: 27.01.09 18:16 (Tue, 27 Jan 2009 12:16:20 -0500)
From: Apogee Development - Lists

On Jan 27, 2009, at 11:59 AM, Tim Jones wrote:

> If you're doing relatively "plain" Windows and Linux, you might also
> consider Sun's vmBox. It's free and has matured very nicely. I
> can't run SCO Unix under it on the Mac, but I have run Wind XP,
> Vista, OpenSolaris, and Linuxes of all ilk successfully. ANd, the
> RB Remote Debugger works in Windows XP and Vista there, as well.

Where is this? I can't seem to find it on Sun's site.

Thx,
Joe Nastasi

Re: Use of Parallels
Date: 27.01.09 18:20 (Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:20:22 +0100)
From: Jose Maria Terry Jimenez
Apogee Development - Lists escribió:
>
> On Jan 27, 2009, at 11:59 AM, Tim Jones wrote:
>
>> If you're doing relatively "plain" Windows and Linux, you might also
>> consider Sun's vmBox. It's free and has matured very nicely. I
>> can't run SCO Unix under it on the Mac, but I have run Wind XP,
>> Vista, OpenSolaris, and Linuxes of all ilk successfully. ANd, the RB
>> Remote Debugger works in Windows XP and Vista there, as well.
>
> Where is this? I can't seem to find it on Sun's site.
>
> Thx,
> Joe Nastasi
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Here:

http://www.virtualbox.org

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Re: Use of Parallels
Date: 27.01.09 18:19 (Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:19:06 -0600)
From: joseph
I've been working in parallels and it's mostly serviceable. One issue
that I have is that Ubuntu doesn't shut down properly. It hangs... I
force it to stop, and later it starts up ok so evidently it's not
hazard to stomp on it but it just doesn't feel right. Does VMware
have issues like this with Ubuntu?

- Joe

On Jan 27, 2009, at 10:59 AM, Tim Jones wrote:

> love Parallels - for Windows XP and Windows 2000. It's also stable
> with RH or Ubuntu Linux.

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Re: Use of Parallels
Date: 27.01.09 21:10 (Tue, 27 Jan 2009 15:10:03 -0500)
From: Kem Tekinay
On 1/27/09 12:19 PM, "joseph" <<email address removed>> wrote:

> I've been working in parallels and it's mostly serviceable. One issue
> that I have is that Ubuntu doesn't shut down properly. It hangs.

FYI,

I had this issue with Parallels 3 but not with v.4, but, then again, I also
ended up reinstalling Ubuntu from scratch under v.4 so perhaps that made a
difference too.

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Re: Use of Parallels
Date: 27.01.09 18:45 (Tue, 27 Jan 2009 12:45:28 -0500)
From: Apogee Development - Lists

On Jan 27, 2009, at 12:20 PM, Jose Maria Terry Jimenez wrote:

> Apogee Development - Lists escribió:
>>
>> On Jan 27, 2009, at 11:59 AM, Tim Jones wrote:
>>
>>> If you're doing relatively "plain" Windows and Linux, you might
>>> also consider Sun's vmBox. It's free and has matured very
>>> nicely. I can't run SCO Unix under it on the Mac, but I have run
>>> Wind XP, Vista, OpenSolaris, and Linuxes of all ilk successfully.
>>> ANd, the RB Remote Debugger works in Windows XP and Vista there,
>>> as well.
>>
>> Where is this? I can't seem to find it on Sun's site.
> Here:
>
> http://www.virtualbox.org

One more question. I already have boot camp set up. Can I assume that
it's a good idea to delete that? And is it possible to reclaim the
partition?

TIA,
Joe Nastasi
-

Re: Use of Parallels
Date: 27.01.09 18:47 (Tue, 27 Jan 2009 09:47:13 -0800)
From: Glenn L. Austin
I'm using Ubuntu 8.10 with no problems, although I did have to go in
and edit the XServer configuration to add (and remove) screen sizes
that were "too big" for my display.

On Jan 27, 2009, at 9:19 AM, joseph wrote:

> I've been working in parallels and it's mostly serviceable. One
> issue that I have is that Ubuntu doesn't shut down properly. It
> hangs... I force it to stop, and later it starts up ok so evidently
> it's not hazard to stomp on it but it just doesn't feel right. Does
> VMware have issues like this with Ubuntu?
>
> - Joe
>
> On Jan 27, 2009, at 10:59 AM, Tim Jones wrote:
>
>> love Parallels - for Windows XP and Windows 2000. It's also stable
>> with RH or Ubuntu Linux.
>
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Re: Use of Parallels
Date: 27.01.09 18:49 (Tue, 27 Jan 2009 10:49:29 -0700)
From: Tim Jones
On Jan 27, 2009, at 10:16 AM, Apogee Development - Lists wrote:

>
> On Jan 27, 2009, at 11:59 AM, Tim Jones wrote:
>
>> If you're doing relatively "plain" Windows and Linux, you might
>> also consider Sun's vmBox. It's free and has matured very
>> nicely. I can't run SCO Unix under it on the Mac, but I have run
>> Wind XP, Vista, OpenSolaris, and Linuxes of all ilk successfully.
>> ANd, the RB Remote Debugger works in Windows XP and Vista there,
>> as well.
>
> Where is this? I can't seem to find it on Sun's site.

On their main page (www.sun.com), in the Downloads column, third item
down on the right.

Tim

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Re: Use of Parallels
Date: 27.01.09 18:50 (Tue, 27 Jan 2009 10:50:05 -0700)
From: Tim Jones
On Jan 27, 2009, at 10:20 AM, Jose Maria Terry Jimenez wrote:

> Apogee Development - Lists escribió:
>>
>> Here:
>
> http://www.virtualbox.org

Or there :-).

Tim

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Re: Use of Parallels
Date: 27.01.09 18:55 (Tue, 27 Jan 2009 10:55:09 -0700)
From: Tim Jones
On Jan 27, 2009, at 10:45 AM, Apogee Development - Lists wrote:

> One more question. I already have boot camp set up. Can I assume
> that it's a good idea to delete that? And is it possible to reclaim
> the partition?

Ugh - what an Ugly thing that is (total reboot? May as well be a
separate machine). However, before you dump bootcamp, you may want
to follow the steps here if you go with VMWare:

http://www.vmware.com/download/fusion/windows_to_mac.html

Tim

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Re: Use of Parallels
Date: 27.01.09 19:02 (Tue, 27 Jan 2009 10:02:23 -0800)
From: Michael Diehr
On Jan 27, 2009, at 9:19 AM, joseph wrote:

> I've been working in parallels and it's mostly serviceable. One
> issue that I have is that Ubuntu doesn't shut down properly. It
> hangs... I force it to stop, and later it starts up ok so evidently
> it's not hazard to stomp on it but it just doesn't feel right. Does
> VMware have issues like this with Ubuntu?
>
> - Joe

the latest parallels (4.0.3810) and Ubuntu (8.10) work very well --
shutdown works fine, etc.

One thing is the parallels docs are poor, so they don't tell you how
to easily install the VM tools in ubuntu:

1. click "install parallels tools" from the menu
2. in ubuntu, open a terminal window
3. type
cd /cdrom
4. type
sudo sh ./install

and follow the onscreen directions.

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Re: Use of Parallels
Date: 27.01.09 19:03 (Tue, 27 Jan 2009 10:03:39 -0800)
From: Michael Diehr
On Jan 27, 2009, at 9:45 AM, Apogee Development - Lists wrote:

>
> On Jan 27, 2009, at 12:20 PM, Jose Maria Terry Jimenez wrote:
>
>> Apogee Development - Lists escribió:
>>>
>>> On Jan 27, 2009, at 11:59 AM, Tim Jones wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you're doing relatively "plain" Windows and Linux, you might
>>>> also consider Sun's vmBox. It's free and has matured very
>>>> nicely. I can't run SCO Unix under it on the Mac, but I have run
>>>> Wind XP, Vista, OpenSolaris, and Linuxes of all ilk
>>>> successfully. ANd, the RB Remote Debugger works in Windows XP
>>>> and Vista there, as well.
>>>
>>>
>>> Where is this? I can't seem to find it on Sun's site.
>> Here:
>>
>> http://www.virtualbox.org
>
> One more question. I already have boot camp set up. Can I assume
> that it's a good idea to delete that? And is it possible to reclaim
> the partition?

Parallels can run a VM using the files on bootcamp. I'm doing a lot
of 3D OpenGL stuff, which doesn't work perfectly in Parallels. So, I
simply have one of my machines hosted on the bootcamp drive. When I
need direct hardware testing, I just reboot into bootcamp. The rest
of the time, I just run the bootcamp drive inside parallels. It's a
pretty good system.


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Re: Use of Parallels
Date: 27.01.09 19:35 (Tue, 27 Jan 2009 12:35:18 -0600)
From: joseph
Thanks good to know. So now I have a linux question. To upgrade from
8.04 Hardy Heron to 8.10 do I need to separately download the whole
package or will the Update Manager do the upgrade for me?

On Jan 27, 2009, at 12:02 PM, Michael Diehr wrote:

> the latest parallels (4.0.3810) and Ubuntu (8.10) work very well --
> shutdown works fine, etc.

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Re: Use of Parallels
Date: 27.01.09 19:55 (Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:55:09 -0700)
From: Norman Palardy

On 27-Jan-09, at 10:45 AM, Apogee Development - Lists wrote:

> One more question. I already have boot camp set up. Can I assume
> that it's a good idea to delete that? And is it possible to reclaim
> the partition?

Parallels can use it and I think VMWare can as well

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Re: Use of Parallels
Date: 27.01.09 20:08 (Tue, 27 Jan 2009 12:08:42 -0700)
From: Tim Jones
On Jan 27, 2009, at 11:03 AM, Michael Diehr wrote:

> Parallels can run a VM using the files on bootcamp. I'm doing a
> lot of 3D OpenGL stuff, which doesn't work perfectly in Parallels.
> So, I simply have one of my machines hosted on the bootcamp drive.
> When I need direct hardware testing, I just reboot into bootcamp.
> The rest of the time, I just run the bootcamp drive inside
> parallels. It's a pretty good system.

And therein lies one big plus for Parallels - VMWare needs you to
create the VM image of Windows.

Tim

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