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  Karel the Robot   -   Jeff Ayling
   Re: Karel the Robot   -   fargo rpgportland.com
   Re: Karel the Robot   -   Jeff Ayling
   Re: Karel the Robot   -   fargo rpgportland.com
   Re: Karel the Robot   -   Jeff Ayling
   Re: Karel the Robot   -   Craig A. Finseth
   Re: Karel the Robot   -   Jeff Ayling
   Re: Karel the Robot   -   The Green Tea Leaf
   Re: Karel the Robot   -   Peter Fargo
   Re: Karel the Robot   -   Andy Dent
   Re: Karel the Robot   -   fargo rpgportland.com
   Re: Karel the Robot   -   fargo rpgportland.com
   Re: Karel the Robot   -   Bob Gordon
    Re: Karel the Robot   -   Joe Strout
     Re: Karel the Robot   -   Jeromy
   Re: Karel the Robot   -   Robert Strachan
   Re: Karel the Robot   -   Ola Olsson
    Re: Karel the Robot   -   Jeromy
   Re: Karel the Robot   -   Andy Dent
   Re: Karel the Robot   -   Jeff Ayling

Karel the Robot
Date: 25.04.09 02:02 (Sat, 25 Apr 2009 11:02:33 +1000)
From: Jeff Ayling
Hi all,

Next week I'm teaching some young kids a bit about software development.

After watching the Stanford University Programming Methodology videos
at ( http://deimos3.apple.com/WebObjects/Core.woa/Browse/itunes.stanford.edu.1615329425.01615329428
) I feel that Karel the Robot could be a nice project to show my
students.

Unfortunately Karel is written in Java - I'd love to get Karel up and
running in RealBasic.

http://karel.sourceforge.net/

Is anyone up for the challenge of getting Karel running in RB? I'm
spinning too many plates right now to attempt it but I'd be willing to
pay a small amount to anyone who could help - sorry no real budget for
this teaching gig.

Cheers

Jeff

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Re: Karel the Robot
Date: 25.04.09 02:15 (Fri, 24 Apr 2009 20:15:40 -0500 (CDT))
From: fargo rpgportland.com
> Hi all,
>
> Next week I'm teaching some young kids a bit about software development.
>
> After watching the Stanford University Programming Methodology videos
> at (
> http://deimos3.apple.com/WebObjects/Core.woa/Browse/itunes.stanford.edu.1615329425.01615329428
> ) I feel that Karel the Robot could be a nice project to show my
> students.
>
> Unfortunately Karel is written in Java - I'd love to get Karel up and
> running in RealBasic.
>
> http://karel.sourceforge.net/
>
> Is anyone up for the challenge of getting Karel running in RB? I'm
> spinning too many plates right now to attempt it but I'd be willing to
> pay a small amount to anyone who could help - sorry no real budget for
> this teaching gig.
>
> Cheers
>
> Jeff

Oh sweet gHod Java. I don't know why, but every time I've approached Java
it all seems so plausible right until not a damned thing works. Rather how
I imagine novice lion tamers feel, and are consequently weeded out, but
only if lions were big assed, ran in slow motion until their cages were
upgraded several generations after they came into existence, and their
creator promised not one, not two, but three separate and totally
undelivered cages optimized for them to run.

Sigh. Yeah. Sorry. I think something about Java code threatens to activate
some homicidal gene switch in me. Which is too bad since it offers some
real advantages now that broadband, to one degree or another, is common
and machines are fast enough to chew through it's blubbery business end.

Back to the topic you actually brought up, good lord I'm not up to
anything like that. I'm staring into my coding abyss trying to figure out
why some instances of one of my classes appears to have lingering
references, but only sometimes. While this approaches the true aim of AI,
which is to make a computer dumb enough for us to talk sports with, I
don't think it's much good for anything of value.

Best,
Fargo

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Re: Karel the Robot
Date: 25.04.09 02:28 (Sat, 25 Apr 2009 11:28:42 +1000)
From: Jeff Ayling

On 25/04/2009, at 11:15 AM, <email address removed> wrote:

>> Hi all,
>>
>> Next week I'm teaching some young kids a bit about software
>> development.
>>
>> After watching the Stanford University Programming Methodology videos
>> at (
>> http://deimos3.apple.com/WebObjects/Core.woa/Browse/itunes.stanford.edu.1615329425.01615329428
>> ) I feel that Karel the Robot could be a nice project to show my
>> students.
>>
>> Unfortunately Karel is written in Java - I'd love to get Karel up and
>> running in RealBasic.
>>
>> http://karel.sourceforge.net/
>>
>> Is anyone up for the challenge of getting Karel running in RB? I'm
>> spinning too many plates right now to attempt it but I'd be willing
>> to
>> pay a small amount to anyone who could help - sorry no real budget
>> for
>> this teaching gig.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Jeff
>
> Oh sweet gHod Java. I don't know why, but every time I've approached
> Java
> it all seems so plausible right until not a damned thing works.
> Rather how
> I imagine novice lion tamers feel, and are consequently weeded out,
> but
> only if lions were big assed, ran in slow motion until their cages
> were
> upgraded several generations after they came into existence, and their
> creator promised not one, not two, but three separate and totally
> undelivered cages optimized for them to run.
>
> Sigh. Yeah. Sorry. I think something about Java code threatens to
> activate
> some homicidal gene switch in me. Which is too bad since it offers
> some
> real advantages now that broadband, to one degree or another, is
> common
> and machines are fast enough to chew through it's blubbery business
> end.
>
> Back to the topic you actually brought up, good lord I'm not up to
> anything like that. I'm staring into my coding abyss trying to
> figure out
> why some instances of one of my classes appears to have lingering
> references, but only sometimes. While this approaches the true aim
> of AI,
> which is to make a computer dumb enough for us to talk sports with, I
> don't think it's much good for anything of value.
>
> Best,
> Fargo
>

Oh man!!!

That has got to be the best response to any question ever asked about
anything :-) haha

And yes your comments are the reason I want to use the Karel concept
within RB rather than Java.

Good luck with your problem solving.

Cheers

Jeff





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Re: Karel the Robot
Date: 25.04.09 03:18 (Fri, 24 Apr 2009 21:18:32 -0500 (CDT))
From: fargo rpgportland.com
>
> On 25/04/2009, at 11:15 AM, <email address removed> wrote:
>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Next week I'm teaching some young kids a bit about software
>>> development.
>>>
>>> After watching the Stanford University Programming Methodology videos
>>> at (
>>> http://deimos3.apple.com/WebObjects/Core.woa/Browse/itunes.stanford.edu.1615329425.01615329428
>>> ) I feel that Karel the Robot could be a nice project to show my
>>> students.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately Karel is written in Java - I'd love to get Karel up and
>>> running in RealBasic.
>>>
>>> http://karel.sourceforge.net/
>>>
>>> Is anyone up for the challenge of getting Karel running in RB? I'm
>>> spinning too many plates right now to attempt it but I'd be willing
>>> to
>>> pay a small amount to anyone who could help - sorry no real budget
>>> for
>>> this teaching gig.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>
>> Oh sweet gHod Java. I don't know why, but every time I've approached
>> Java
>> it all seems so plausible right until not a damned thing works.
>> Rather how
>> I imagine novice lion tamers feel, and are consequently weeded out,
>> but
>> only if lions were big assed, ran in slow motion until their cages
>> were
>> upgraded several generations after they came into existence, and their
>> creator promised not one, not two, but three separate and totally
>> undelivered cages optimized for them to run.
>>
>> Sigh. Yeah. Sorry. I think something about Java code threatens to
>> activate
>> some homicidal gene switch in me. Which is too bad since it offers
>> some
>> real advantages now that broadband, to one degree or another, is
>> common
>> and machines are fast enough to chew through it's blubbery business
>> end.
>>
>> Back to the topic you actually brought up, good lord I'm not up to
>> anything like that. I'm staring into my coding abyss trying to
>> figure out
>> why some instances of one of my classes appears to have lingering
>> references, but only sometimes. While this approaches the true aim
>> of AI,
>> which is to make a computer dumb enough for us to talk sports with, I
>> don't think it's much good for anything of value.
>>
>> Best,
>> Fargo
>>
> Oh man!!!
>
> That has got to be the best response to any question ever asked about
> anything :-) haha
>
> And yes your comments are the reason I want to use the Karel concept
> within RB rather than Java.
>
> Good luck with your problem solving.
>
> Cheers
>
> Jeff

Well, I have to contribute something to this list, and programming
capability ain't it, so the deep chaos of my brain is really all I have to
share.

I think I've solved my own problem. I almost even understand how I fixed
it, or at least I have a plausible enough self-delusion.

So I took a look at this Karel thing. I think it's the right one anyway, I
would sooner shoot someone in the foot than install iTunes. But it's a
little Pascal-Bots style program that users can put in code for that it
interprets, yeah? Has two world objects, beepers and walls. Doesn't seem
like it'd be that tough to implement in RB.

Or am I looking at something totally off base?
http://www.cs.mtsu.edu/~untch/karel/

Looking at it I see that this actually is probably based off the Pascal
programs I saw way back when, and this is a C implementation.

Anyway, if nobody else (like someone with focus, discipline, and a working
understanding of math) picks up the gauntlet I'll see what I can smash my
brain against using RB3D.

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Re: Karel the Robot
Date: 25.04.09 04:23 (Sat, 25 Apr 2009 13:23:37 +1000)
From: Jeff Ayling

On 25/04/2009, at 12:18 PM, <email address removed> wrote:

>>
>> On 25/04/2009, at 11:15 AM, <email address removed> wrote:
>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Next week I'm teaching some young kids a bit about software
>>>> development.
>>>>
>>>> After watching the Stanford University Programming Methodology
>>>> videos
>>>> at (
>>>> http://deimos3.apple.com/WebObjects/Core.woa/Browse/itunes.stanford.edu.1615329425.01615329428
>>>> ) I feel that Karel the Robot could be a nice project to show my
>>>> students.
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately Karel is written in Java - I'd love to get Karel up
>>>> and
>>>> running in RealBasic.
>>>>
>>>> http://karel.sourceforge.net/
>>>>
>>>> Is anyone up for the challenge of getting Karel running in RB? I'm
>>>> spinning too many plates right now to attempt it but I'd be willing
>>>> to
>>>> pay a small amount to anyone who could help - sorry no real budget
>>>> for
>>>> this teaching gig.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jeff
>>>
>>> Oh sweet gHod Java. I don't know why, but every time I've approached
>>> Java
>>> it all seems so plausible right until not a damned thing works.
>>> Rather how
>>> I imagine novice lion tamers feel, and are consequently weeded out,
>>> but
>>> only if lions were big assed, ran in slow motion until their cages
>>> were
>>> upgraded several generations after they came into existence, and
>>> their
>>> creator promised not one, not two, but three separate and totally
>>> undelivered cages optimized for them to run.
>>>
>>> Sigh. Yeah. Sorry. I think something about Java code threatens to
>>> activate
>>> some homicidal gene switch in me. Which is too bad since it offers
>>> some
>>> real advantages now that broadband, to one degree or another, is
>>> common
>>> and machines are fast enough to chew through it's blubbery business
>>> end.
>>>
>>> Back to the topic you actually brought up, good lord I'm not up to
>>> anything like that. I'm staring into my coding abyss trying to
>>> figure out
>>> why some instances of one of my classes appears to have lingering
>>> references, but only sometimes. While this approaches the true aim
>>> of AI,
>>> which is to make a computer dumb enough for us to talk sports
>>> with, I
>>> don't think it's much good for anything of value.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Fargo
>>>
>> Oh man!!!
>>
>> That has got to be the best response to any question ever asked about
>> anything :-) haha
>>
>> And yes your comments are the reason I want to use the Karel concept
>> within RB rather than Java.
>>
>> Good luck with your problem solving.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Jeff
>
> Well, I have to contribute something to this list, and programming
> capability ain't it, so the deep chaos of my brain is really all I
> have to
> share.
>
> I think I've solved my own problem. I almost even understand how I
> fixed
> it, or at least I have a plausible enough self-delusion.
>
> So I took a look at this Karel thing. I think it's the right one
> anyway, I
> would sooner shoot someone in the foot than install iTunes. But it's a
> little Pascal-Bots style program that users can put in code for that
> it
> interprets, yeah? Has two world objects, beepers and walls. Doesn't
> seem
> like it'd be that tough to implement in RB.
>
> Or am I looking at something totally off base?
> http://www.cs.mtsu.edu/~untch/karel/
>
> Looking at it I see that this actually is probably based off the
> Pascal
> programs I saw way back when, and this is a C implementation.
>
> Anyway, if nobody else (like someone with focus, discipline, and a
> working
> understanding of math) picks up the gauntlet I'll see what I can
> smash my
> brain against using RB3D.
>

Heya Fargo,

Thanks very much for your offer to assist especially considering that
you would need to get your head into some Java code to complete the
job....which I know you wouldn't appreciate :-)

.... but seriously, Andy Dent has already made a start on this and
will make the project available to all on completion.

So a big thanks again for your offer but I'm pleased to say that you
wont need to worry about it.

Cheers

Jeff



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Re: Karel the Robot
Date: 25.04.09 04:23 (Fri, 24 Apr 2009 22:23:53 -0500 (CDT))
From: Craig A. Finseth
Next week I'm teaching some young kids a bit about software development.

After watching the Stanford University Programming Methodology videos
at ( http://deimos3.apple.com/WebObjects/Core.woa/Browse/itunes.stanford.edu.1615329425.01615329428
) I feel that Karel the Robot could be a nice project to show my
students.

At the risk of starting a huge flame war, you may want to take a look
at Alice from CMU. It's a stand-alone environment. (Written in Java,
but that's hidden so who cares?)

Craig

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Re: Karel the Robot
Date: 25.04.09 04:51 (Sat, 25 Apr 2009 13:51:24 +1000)
From: Jeff Ayling

On 25/04/2009, at 1:23 PM, Craig A. Finseth wrote:

> Next week I'm teaching some young kids a bit about software
> development.
>
> After watching the Stanford University Programming Methodology
> videos
> at ( http://deimos3.apple.com/WebObjects/Core.woa/Browse/itunes.stanford.edu.1615329425.01615329428
> ) I feel that Karel the Robot could be a nice project to show my
> students.
>
> At the risk of starting a huge flame war, you may want to take a look
> at Alice from CMU. It's a stand-alone environment. (Written in Java,
> but that's hidden so who cares?)
>
> Craig
>

Heya Craig,

Wow isn't that interesting!!!

I hadn't heard about Alice before - downloading now.

I'm still very keen on rbKarel as it's a nice lead into RealBasic -
but Alice looks like an amazing tool to lead in to java.

I'll have a good look at it now once this download finishes.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention.

Cheers

Jeff

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Re: Karel the Robot
Date: 25.04.09 07:14 (Sat, 25 Apr 2009 08:14:06 +0200)
From: The Green Tea Leaf
I assume this is a very limited "course" for young children, while Alice is
nice it also have some serious problems in that it's quite difficult to get
an overview of what is happening (and when I tried it it crashed a lot). An
alternative to look at is Scratch http://scratch.mit.edu/ (my kids liked
Scratch better than Alice) another alternative (if the kids are a bit older)
is to use media computation and the python environment that can be found
here http://coweb.cc.gatech.edu/mediaComp-teach
There is also a book
amazon…104-8916403-4611901?v=glance&s=books&n=507846<http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0131176552/qid=1101179106/sr=8-4/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i4_xgl14/104-8916403-4611901?v=glance&s=books&n=507846>

Personally I found the python environment very fun and I spent quite some
time playing with doing different manipulations of images.
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Re: Karel the Robot
Date: 25.04.09 11:01 (Sat, 25 Apr 2009 06:01:13 -0400)
From: Peter Fargo
Have you looked at RobotProg? It is written in RB and kids love it.

http://www.physicsbox.com/indexrobotprogen.html

It involves programming through flow charts but gives a good gentle
intro to programming concepts.


On Apr 25, 2009, at 2:14 AM, The Green Tea Leaf wrote:

> I assume this is a very limited "course" for young children, while
> Alice is
> nice it also have some serious problems in that it's quite difficult
> to get
> an overview of what is happening (and when I tried it it crashed a
> lot). An
> alternative to look at is Scratch http://scratch.mit.edu/ (my kids
> liked
> Scratch better than Alice) another alternative (if the kids are a
> bit older)
> is to use media computation and the python environment that can be
> found
> here http://coweb.cc.gatech.edu/mediaComp-teach
> There is also a book
> amazon…104-8916403-4611901?v=glance&s=books&n=507846<http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0131176552/qid=1101179106/sr=8-4/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i4_xgl14/104-8916403-4611901?v=glance&s=books&n=507846
> >
> Personally I found the python environment very fun and I spent quite
> some
> time playing with doing different manipulations of images.
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Re: Karel the Robot
Date: 25.04.09 16:45 (Sat, 25 Apr 2009 23:45:48 +0800)
From: Andy Dent

On 04/25/2009, at 11:23 AM, Jeff Ayling wrote:

>
> On 25/04/2009, at 12:18 PM, <email address removed> wrote:
>>
>> Anyway, if nobody else (like someone with focus, discipline, and a
>> working
>> understanding of math) picks up the gauntlet I'll see what I can
>> smash my
>> brain against using RB3D.

feel free to extend my work when it is released. Jeff wants this first
version like, now!

> .... but seriously, Andy Dent has already made a start on this and
> will make the project available to all on completion.
I'm just doing a 2D top-down version for now based on my RBScript
samples so it can be code that either runs in RBScript in an
application or people can copy more complex classes and put them into
a RB program.

Andy the not-so-Ambitious

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Re: Karel the Robot
Date: 25.04.09 19:03 (Sat, 25 Apr 2009 13:03:56 -0500 (CDT))
From: fargo rpgportland.com
>
> On 25/04/2009, at 12:18 PM, <email address removed> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> On 25/04/2009, at 11:15 AM, <email address removed> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Next week I'm teaching some young kids a bit about software
>>>>> development.
>>>>>
>>>>> After watching the Stanford University Programming Methodology
>>>>> videos
>>>>> at (
>>>>> http://deimos3.apple.com/WebObjects/Core.woa/Browse/itunes.stanford.edu.1615329425.01615329428
>>>>> ) I feel that Karel the Robot could be a nice project to show my
>>>>> students.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately Karel is written in Java - I'd love to get Karel up
>>>>> and
>>>>> running in RealBasic.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://karel.sourceforge.net/
>>>>>
>>>>> Is anyone up for the challenge of getting Karel running in RB? I'm
>>>>> spinning too many plates right now to attempt it but I'd be willing
>>>>> to
>>>>> pay a small amount to anyone who could help - sorry no real budget
>>>>> for
>>>>> this teaching gig.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff
>>>>
>>>> Oh sweet gHod Java. I don't know why, but every time I've approached
>>>> Java
>>>> it all seems so plausible right until not a damned thing works.
>>>> Rather how
>>>> I imagine novice lion tamers feel, and are consequently weeded out,
>>>> but
>>>> only if lions were big assed, ran in slow motion until their cages
>>>> were
>>>> upgraded several generations after they came into existence, and
>>>> their
>>>> creator promised not one, not two, but three separate and totally
>>>> undelivered cages optimized for them to run.
>>>>
>>>> Sigh. Yeah. Sorry. I think something about Java code threatens to
>>>> activate
>>>> some homicidal gene switch in me. Which is too bad since it offers
>>>> some
>>>> real advantages now that broadband, to one degree or another, is
>>>> common
>>>> and machines are fast enough to chew through it's blubbery business
>>>> end.
>>>>
>>>> Back to the topic you actually brought up, good lord I'm not up to
>>>> anything like that. I'm staring into my coding abyss trying to
>>>> figure out
>>>> why some instances of one of my classes appears to have lingering
>>>> references, but only sometimes. While this approaches the true aim
>>>> of AI,
>>>> which is to make a computer dumb enough for us to talk sports
>>>> with, I
>>>> don't think it's much good for anything of value.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Fargo
>>>>
>>>
>>> Oh man!!!
>>>
>>> That has got to be the best response to any question ever asked about
>>> anything :-) haha
>>>
>>> And yes your comments are the reason I want to use the Karel concept
>>> within RB rather than Java.
>>>
>>> Good luck with your problem solving.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>
>> Well, I have to contribute something to this list, and programming
>> capability ain't it, so the deep chaos of my brain is really all I
>> have to
>> share.
>>
>> I think I've solved my own problem. I almost even understand how I
>> fixed
>> it, or at least I have a plausible enough self-delusion.
>>
>> So I took a look at this Karel thing. I think it's the right one
>> anyway, I
>> would sooner shoot someone in the foot than install iTunes. But it's a
>> little Pascal-Bots style program that users can put in code for that
>> it
>> interprets, yeah? Has two world objects, beepers and walls. Doesn't
>> seem
>> like it'd be that tough to implement in RB.
>>
>> Or am I looking at something totally off base?
>> http://www.cs.mtsu.edu/~untch/karel/
>>
>> Looking at it I see that this actually is probably based off the
>> Pascal
>> programs I saw way back when, and this is a C implementation.
>>
>> Anyway, if nobody else (like someone with focus, discipline, and a
>> working
>> understanding of math) picks up the gauntlet I'll see what I can
>> smash my
>> brain against using RB3D.
>>
> Heya Fargo,
>
> Thanks very much for your offer to assist especially considering that
> you would need to get your head into some Java code to complete the
> job....which I know you wouldn't appreciate :-)
>
> .... but seriously, Andy Dent has already made a start on this and
> will make the project available to all on completion.
>
> So a big thanks again for your offer but I'm pleased to say that you
> wont need to worry about it.
>
> Cheers
>
> Jeff

Oh thank gHod. Also, given my attention span, I'd have just ended up
crying in a corner anyway, while gesturing at the code implosion I'd
managed to create.

Best,
Fargo

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Re: Karel the Robot
Date: 25.04.09 19:08 (Sat, 25 Apr 2009 13:08:01 -0500 (CDT))
From: fargo rpgportland.com
>
> On 04/25/2009, at 11:23 AM, Jeff Ayling wrote:
>
>>
>> On 25/04/2009, at 12:18 PM, <email address removed> wrote:
>>>
>>> Anyway, if nobody else (like someone with focus, discipline, and a
>>> working
>>> understanding of math) picks up the gauntlet I'll see what I can
>>> smash my
>>> brain against using RB3D.
>
> feel free to extend my work when it is released. Jeff wants this first
> version like, now!
>
>> .... but seriously, Andy Dent has already made a start on this and
>> will make the project available to all on completion.
> I'm just doing a 2D top-down version for now based on my RBScript
> samples so it can be code that either runs in RBScript in an
> application or people can copy more complex classes and put them into
> a RB program.
>
> Andy the not-so-Ambitious
>

I'd be interested to see that. RBScript has been like a unicorn for me; I
hear awesome things and oddball issues, yet have never actually seen it in
use. True, most of this is because I completely forget about it for large
tracts of time.

If it helps, I'd have only used RB3D in a 2d way, and then only because,
at this point, it's so much easier for me than any of the 2d stuff, simply
due to familiarity.

Best,
Fargo

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Re: Karel the Robot
Date: 25.04.09 23:45 (Sat, 25 Apr 2009 15:45:02 -0700 (PDT))
From: Bob Gordon

Jeff,

Have you considered using Logo? It has turtle graphics which appear roughly similar to the robot commands in Karel. There are versions around for all sorts of machines.

Searching for "free logo computer language" (without the quotes) yielded over 100,000,000 hits.

Converting Karel to RB would be an interesting project, but I'm not sure it's needed.

-Bob Gordon

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Re: Karel the Robot
Date: 26.04.09 14:32 (Sun, 26 Apr 2009 07:32:18 -0600)
From: Joe Strout
Bob Gordon wrote:

> Have you considered using Logo? It has turtle graphics which appear roughly similar to the robot commands in Karel. There are versions around for all sorts of machines.

It's also pretty trivial to make turtle graphics equivalent to Logo in
RB (if the goal is to teach RB syntax).

Best,
- Joe

Re: Karel the Robot
Date: 26.04.09 17:14 (Sun, 26 Apr 2009 12:14:22 -0400)
From: Jeromy
Ah the memories. I remember when I was in grade school and we had commodore
64's and logo. I signed up for learning logo as extra curriculum one year.
and the next I tough it to my fellow students lol. those that where serious
enough to learn from a pear that is.
This is a good idea Joe has. It is a good language for young children to
learn and take interest in creation rather than pure brain rot behind a
game. I might just re-invent the wheel. Or what was it? step forward 1 and
turn right 1 360 times.

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From: "Joe Strout" <<email address removed>>
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 9:32 AM
To: "REALbasic NUG" <<email address removed>>
Subject: Re: Karel the Robot

> Bob Gordon wrote:
>
>> Have you considered using Logo? It has turtle graphics which appear
>> roughly similar to the robot commands in Karel. There are versions around
>> for all sorts of machines.
>
> It's also pretty trivial to make turtle graphics equivalent to Logo in RB
> (if the goal is to teach RB syntax).
>
> Best,
> - Joe
>
> --
> Joe Strout
> Inspiring Applications, Inc.
> http://www.InspiringApps.com
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Re: Karel the Robot
Date: 26.04.09 00:32 (Sat, 25 Apr 2009 16:32:02 -0700)
From: Robert Strachan
StarLogo from MIT

http://education.mit.edu/drupal/starlogo-tng

Re: Karel the Robot
Date: 26.04.09 17:28 (Sun, 26 Apr 2009 09:28:55 -0700)
From: Ola Olsson
I taught a 7th grade programming class using NetLogo. It's quite
sophisticated yet can be approached as simply as you want. My son and
I have also explored the C-variants to Lego's Mindstorms robotics
kits. You can do some crazy things with it.

Ola Olsson

On Apr 25, 2009, at 3:45 PM, Bob Gordon wrote:

> Have you considered using Logo? It has turtle graphics which appear
> roughly similar to the robot commands in Karel. There are versions
> around for all sorts of machines.
>
> Searching for "free logo computer language" (without the quotes)
> yielded over 100,000,000 hits.
>
> Converting Karel to RB would be an interesting project, but I'm not
> sure it's needed.

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Re: Karel the Robot
Date: 26.04.09 19:30 (Sun, 26 Apr 2009 14:30:39 -0400)
From: Jeromy
This is slightly off topic but as we are slightly chatting about some
RealBasic and other alternatives. I just bought 2 pda's with windows 5 on
them. I really want to find a good ide and compiler that will run on board
it. like like onboard c is for palm. or a magical wonder like RealBasic.
Sigh * Realmoby 5. that would be cool. never the less I would like it to be
a resource and code editor suite . I am actually asking if there is such a
thing? Other than the pgcc and the seamingly dysfunctional c# of the
net2mobile framework. there was also visualbasic scripting that is fubar.
there is a tcl so there could be some fun in scripting.
I am sorry to bring this up actually being this is realbasic email system.
but I will not mention again. I would just like a brief answer if anyone has
leads to give me. Thank you.

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From: "Ola Olsson" <<email address removed>>
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 12:28 PM
To: "REALbasic NUG" <<email address removed>>
Subject: Re: Karel the Robot

> I taught a 7th grade programming class using NetLogo. It's quite
> sophisticated yet can be approached as simply as you want. My son and I
> have also explored the C-variants to Lego's Mindstorms robotics kits. You
> can do some crazy things with it.
>
> Ola Olsson
>
> On Apr 25, 2009, at 3:45 PM, Bob Gordon wrote:
>
>> Have you considered using Logo? It has turtle graphics which appear
>> roughly similar to the robot commands in Karel. There are versions
>> around for all sorts of machines.
>>
>> Searching for "free logo computer language" (without the quotes) yielded
>> over 100,000,000 hits.
>>
>> Converting Karel to RB would be an interesting project, but I'm not sure
>> it's needed.
>
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Re: Karel the Robot
Date: 27.04.09 04:33 (Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:33:48 +0800)
From: Andy Dent
If anyone wants to check out the code for rbKarel it is in subversion
on http://code.google.com/p/rbstuff/

You need the Common and rbKarel directories.

Depending on when you get it there are a few bugs I'm chasing up.

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Re: Karel the Robot
Date: 27.04.09 09:12 (Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:12:17 +1000)
From: Jeff Ayling
Hey this is great.

Firstly a huge thanks to Andy for the time spent putting this
together. It's a great project which is going to be invaluable in my
software development classes.

Thanks also to everyone else who commented, offered to assist and
suggested alternate educational apps etc. Although I can't wait to
checkout Alice 3.0 once all the Electronic Arts SIMS characters are
added, really the purpose of rbKarel is for an easy way to get young
students into RealBasic and programming.

Cheers

Jeff



On 27/04/2009, at 1:33 PM, Andy Dent wrote:

> If anyone wants to check out the code for rbKarel it is in
> subversion on http://code.google.com/p/rbstuff/
>
> You need the Common and rbKarel directories.
>
> Depending on when you get it there are a few bugs I'm chasing up.
>
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