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Re: CPU   -   Joseph Claeys
  Re: CPU   -   Ron Benditt
  Re: CPU   -   Chris Smolinski
   CPU   -   Joseph Claeys
    Re: CPU   -   Joseph Claeys
    Re: CPU   -   Tim Jones
    Re: CPU   -   Andy Dent
    Re: CPU   -   Christian Schmitz
    Re: CPU   -   Tim Jones
    Re: CPU   -   Jann Gobble
    Re: CPU   -   Tim Jones
    Re: CPU   -   Jann Gobble
    Re: CPU   -   Joseph Claeys
    Re: CPU   -   Joseph Claeys
    Re: CPU   -   Tim Jones
    Re: CPU   -   Jann Gobble

Re: CPU
Date: 05.08.09 17:07 (Wed, 5 Aug 2009 11:07:33 -0500)
From: Joseph Claeys
This is exactly the system I'm using. Ok... It takes awhile for it
to get into that state so I'll survive. I'd rather they work on that
report feature <drool>

Joseph

On Aug 4, 2009, at 4:40 PM, Chris Smolinski wrote:

> I had the same issues on my 2GB 1st gen Intel iMac. RB's memory
> usage was steadily increasing with use, and quickly got over 1GB of
> physical memory, bogging down the entire system due to too much
> swapping. Once I upgraded to a new system with 4GB, that issue went
> away. Well, the swapping went away, RB still uses far too much
> memory. So the problem is masked, if not solved.
>
> --
>
> ---
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> Black Cat Systems
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Re: CPU
Date: 05.08.09 03:02 (Tue, 4 Aug 2009 19:02:50 -0700)
From: Ron Benditt
I've seen RB RAM usage continually go sky-high. I do use the MBS
plugin and I don't know if that's a big part of it or not. I've got
3GB of RAM on my MacBook Pro (the max for this version of MBP) and if
I want to remote debug using Parallels (another memory hog!) things
get painfully slow. My one big wish concerning RB right now would be
for the RAM usage to come back to sane levels once again. Now that
I'm thinking about it, I'll toss out all of my unused plugins and see
how that affects things.

Regards,

Ron Benditt
Alien Apparatus Company, Inc.
http://www.alienapparatus.com


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Re: CPU
Date: 04.08.09 22:40 (Tue, 4 Aug 2009 17:40:39 -0400)
From: Chris Smolinski
I had the same issues on my 2GB 1st gen Intel iMac. RB's memory usage
was steadily increasing with use, and quickly got over 1GB of
physical memory, bogging down the entire system due to too much
swapping. Once I upgraded to a new system with 4GB, that issue went
away. Well, the swapping went away, RB still uses far too much
memory. So the problem is masked, if not solved.

CPU
Date: 04.08.09 20:52 (Tue, 4 Aug 2009 14:52:21 -0500)
From: Joseph Claeys
Does anyone else notice that RB starts slowing down after a period of
use. Not just RB but the whole Mac. It appears to require an
astonishing amount of CPU cycles when it gets to that state. I'm
typing this in Mail and it can barely keep up because RB is taking up
99% in the Activity Monitor. It has two threads, 713.46 MB real
memory and 1.66 gig of virtual.

Is this just my machine? I have iTunes, Mail, Safari, Excel, and GitX
open as well. Or is this a long standing problem that I'm just
becoming aware of because I'm spending more time in RB?

Joseph

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Re: CPU
Date: 05.08.09 17:05 (Wed, 5 Aug 2009 11:05:42 -0500)
From: Joseph Claeys
Nope. Just the stuff RB uses for a standard install.

On Aug 4, 2009, at 3:27 PM, Jann Gobble wrote:

> Are you using plugins?
>
> J
>
> On Aug 4, 2009, at 1:22 PM, Joseph Claeys wrote:
>
>> IDE.
>>
>> On Aug 4, 2009, at 3:06 PM, Jann Gobble wrote:
>>
>>> RB IDE or an RB App?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 4, 2009, at 12:52 PM, Joseph Claeys wrote:
>>>
>>>> Does anyone else notice that RB starts slowing down after a
>>>> period of use. Not just RB but the whole Mac. It appears to
>>>> require an astonishing amount of CPU cycles when it gets to that
>>>> state. I'm typing this in Mail and it can barely keep up because
>>>> RB is taking up 99% in the Activity Monitor. It has two threads,
>>>> 713.46 MB real memory and 1.66 gig of virtual.
>>>>
>>>> Is this just my machine? I have iTunes, Mail, Safari, Excel, and
>>>> GitX open as well. Or is this a long standing problem that I'm
>>>> just becoming aware of because I'm spending more time in RB?
>>>>
>>>> Joseph
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Re: CPU
Date: 05.08.09 16:51 (Wed, 5 Aug 2009 08:51:07 -0700)
From: Tim Jones
On Aug 5, 2009, at 12:27 AM, Andy Dent wrote:

> On 08/05/2009, at 3:52 AM, Joseph Claeys wrote:
>
>> Does anyone else notice that RB starts slowing down after a period
>> of use. Not just RB but the whole Mac.
>
> Check /var/vm and see how many swapfiles you have and consider that
> they may be fragmented, see my posting http://
> www.aussiedesignedsoftware.com/rbosxfragmentation.html for more
> details and a pathological example I encountered of a swapfile in
> over 6,000 pieces http://aussiedesignedsoftware.com/blog/?p”
>
> On a machine with 3GB RAM I have easily invoked a state of too much
> swap running RB for extended periods and running up a VM or similar
> memory hog. With as much as 16GB free space on disk you can get
> very badly fragmented free space and thus badly fragmented swapfiles.

Great tip Andy. Hopefully, the RS folks will see it and place it
into a FAQ.

Tim

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Re: CPU
Date: 05.08.09 08:27 (Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:27:48 +0800)
From: Andy Dent

On 08/05/2009, at 3:52 AM, Joseph Claeys wrote:

> Does anyone else notice that RB starts slowing down after a period
> of use. Not just RB but the whole Mac.

Check /var/vm and see how many swapfiles you have and consider that
they may be fragmented, see my posting http://www.aussiedesignedsoftware.com/rbosxfragmentation.html
for more details and a pathological example I encountered of a
swapfile in over 6,000 pieces http://aussiedesignedsoftware.com/blog/?p”

On a machine with 3GB RAM I have easily invoked a state of too much
swap running RB for extended periods and running up a VM or similar
memory hog. With as much as 16GB free space on disk you can get very
badly fragmented free space and thus badly fragmented swapfiles.

Andy Dent - www.aussiedesignedsoftware.com
Freelance Designer-Developer - C++, C#, Objective-C, Python,
REALbasic, Ruby, VB.Net

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Re: CPU
Date: 04.08.09 22:55 (Tue, 4 Aug 2009 23:55:20 +0200)
From: Christian Schmitz

Am 04.08.2009 um 23:23 schrieb Tim Jones:

> On Aug 4, 2009, at 2:06 PM, Jann Gobble wrote:
>
>> I wanna make sure this is not the memory leak error I encountered
>> the other day that RealBasic knows about but has not fixed with 3rd
>> party plugins.
>
> That's what's odd. I use the full MBS set and a few internal
> plugins and I don't witness this on any system so long as there's
> enough RAM (3GB+ OS X, 2GB+ Linux).

I can confirm that. RAM is the key. Especially if you need to run
virtual machines.

Greetings
Christian with 16 GB RAM


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Re: CPU
Date: 04.08.09 22:23 (Tue, 4 Aug 2009 14:23:49 -0700)
From: Tim Jones
On Aug 4, 2009, at 2:06 PM, Jann Gobble wrote:

> I wanna make sure this is not the memory leak error I encountered
> the other day that RealBasic knows about but has not fixed with 3rd
> party plugins.

That's what's odd. I use the full MBS set and a few internal plugins
and I don't witness this on any system so long as there's enough RAM
(3GB+ OS X, 2GB+ Linux). In an average session, I'll have 3 to 4
largish projects open with one or 2 IDE Script editor windows.
However, I did have issues when I only had 2GB on my iMac - even
without the plugins. In that case, the issue was dealing with
swapping that would cause the RB IDE to start eating a whole processor.

> bumping ram will make no diff if it is -- the memory leak continues
> upwards of 2gig. I have MBP (newest) with 4gig and have issues!
> Let's make sure that he is using no plugins before he goes and buys
> new ram.

Even if it isn't the plugins, more RAM never hurts and is relatively
inexpensive. However, I suspect that there is something much more
insidious than simply using plugins.

Tim

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Re: CPU
Date: 04.08.09 22:06 (Tue, 4 Aug 2009 14:06:23 -0700)
From: Jann Gobble
I wanna make sure this is not the memory leak error I encountered the
other day that RealBasic knows about but has not fixed with 3rd party
plugins.

bumping ram will make no diff if it is -- the memory leak continues
upwards of 2gig. I have MBP (newest) with 4gig and have issues!
Let's make sure that he is using no plugins before he goes and buys
new ram.

J


On Aug 4, 2009, at 1:32 PM, Tim Jones wrote:

> On Aug 4, 2009, at 1:24 PM, Joseph Claeys wrote:
>
>> 2 gig of RAM. Macbook. Using 9r3
>
> Ah - I urge you to look into bumping your RAM. When I moved my iMac
> from 2GB to 3GB, a lot of issues disappeared (beside RB).
>
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Re: CPU
Date: 04.08.09 21:32 (Tue, 4 Aug 2009 13:32:01 -0700)
From: Tim Jones
On Aug 4, 2009, at 1:24 PM, Joseph Claeys wrote:

> 2 gig of RAM. Macbook. Using 9r3

Ah - I urge you to look into bumping your RAM. When I moved my iMac
from 2GB to 3GB, a lot of issues disappeared (beside RB).

Tim

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Re: CPU
Date: 04.08.09 21:27 (Tue, 4 Aug 2009 13:27:16 -0700)
From: Jann Gobble
Are you using plugins?

J

On Aug 4, 2009, at 1:22 PM, Joseph Claeys wrote:

> IDE.
>
> On Aug 4, 2009, at 3:06 PM, Jann Gobble wrote:
>
>> RB IDE or an RB App?
>>
>> On Aug 4, 2009, at 12:52 PM, Joseph Claeys wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone else notice that RB starts slowing down after a period
>>> of use. Not just RB but the whole Mac. It appears to require an
>>> astonishing amount of CPU cycles when it gets to that state. I'm
>>> typing this in Mail and it can barely keep up because RB is taking
>>> up 99% in the Activity Monitor. It has two threads, 713.46 MB
>>> real memory and 1.66 gig of virtual.
>>>
>>> Is this just my machine? I have iTunes, Mail, Safari, Excel, and
>>> GitX open as well. Or is this a long standing problem that I'm
>>> just becoming aware of because I'm spending more time in RB?
>>>
>>> Joseph
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Re: CPU
Date: 04.08.09 21:24 (Tue, 4 Aug 2009 15:24:00 -0500)
From: Joseph Claeys
2 gig of RAM. Macbook. Using 9r3

On Aug 4, 2009, at 3:09 PM, Tim Jones wrote:

> How much memory do you have in the system? I haven't closed 9r3 on
> my 20" iMac (3GB) in around 2 weeks and nothing's slowed down. I
> even pop open a VMWare Linux and Windows XP session from time to time.

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Re: CPU
Date: 04.08.09 21:22 (Tue, 4 Aug 2009 15:22:03 -0500)
From: Joseph Claeys
IDE.

On Aug 4, 2009, at 3:06 PM, Jann Gobble wrote:

> RB IDE or an RB App?
>
> On Aug 4, 2009, at 12:52 PM, Joseph Claeys wrote:
>
>> Does anyone else notice that RB starts slowing down after a period
>> of use. Not just RB but the whole Mac. It appears to require an
>> astonishing amount of CPU cycles when it gets to that state. I'm
>> typing this in Mail and it can barely keep up because RB is taking
>> up 99% in the Activity Monitor. It has two threads, 713.46 MB real
>> memory and 1.66 gig of virtual.
>>
>> Is this just my machine? I have iTunes, Mail, Safari, Excel, and
>> GitX open as well. Or is this a long standing problem that I'm
>> just becoming aware of because I'm spending more time in RB?
>>
>> Joseph
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Re: CPU
Date: 04.08.09 21:09 (Tue, 4 Aug 2009 13:09:18 -0700)
From: Tim Jones
On Aug 4, 2009, at 12:52 PM, Joseph Claeys wrote:

> Does anyone else notice that RB starts slowing down after a period
> of use. Not just RB but the whole Mac. It appears to require an
> astonishing amount of CPU cycles when it gets to that state. I'm
> typing this in Mail and it can barely keep up because RB is taking
> up 99% in the Activity Monitor. It has two threads, 713.46 MB real
> memory and 1.66 gig of virtual.

How much memory do you have in the system? I haven't closed 9r3 on
my 20" iMac (3GB) in around 2 weeks and nothing's slowed down. I
even pop open a VMWare Linux and Windows XP session from time to time.

> Is this just my machine? I have iTunes, Mail, Safari, Excel, and
> GitX open as well. Or is this a long standing problem that I'm
> just becoming aware of because I'm spending more time in RB?

Matches my day to day use except for Excel and I keep ChickenOfTheVNC
loaded. Hmmm, what if you exit Excel and the reenter it? I gave up
on Office-X because it was a process hog. I know that the monitor
says RB is at 99%, but that may be because it's fighting with Excel /
Office for swap...

Just a thought.

Tim

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Re: CPU
Date: 04.08.09 21:06 (Tue, 4 Aug 2009 13:06:31 -0700)
From: Jann Gobble
RB IDE or an RB App?

On Aug 4, 2009, at 12:52 PM, Joseph Claeys wrote:

> Does anyone else notice that RB starts slowing down after a period
> of use. Not just RB but the whole Mac. It appears to require an
> astonishing amount of CPU cycles when it gets to that state. I'm
> typing this in Mail and it can barely keep up because RB is taking
> up 99% in the Activity Monitor. It has two threads, 713.46 MB real
> memory and 1.66 gig of virtual.
>
> Is this just my machine? I have iTunes, Mail, Safari, Excel, and
> GitX open as well. Or is this a long standing problem that I'm just
> becoming aware of because I'm spending more time in RB?
>
> Joseph
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