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  RE: Platform Question to All   -   Joe Huber
    RE: Platform Question to All   -   Hodges, Robert CTR USAF AFMC 520 SMXS/MXDEC
    Re: Platform Question to All   -   Stéphane Mons <
    RE: Platform Question to All   -   Hodges, Robert CTR USAF AFMC 520 SMXS/MXDEC
    RE: Platform Question to All   -   Hodges, Robert CTR USAF AFMC 520 SMXS/MXDEC
    Re: Platform Question to All   -   Garth Hjelte
     TypeLibs and API Interfaces for Windows   -   Garth Hjelte
    RE: Platform Question to All   -   Craig Boyd
    RE: Platform Question to All   -   Hodges, Robert CTR USAF AFMC 520 SMXS/MXDEC
    RE: Platform Question to All   -   Hodges, Robert CTR USAF AFMC 520 SMXS/MXDEC
     Re: Platform Question to All   -   Eduardo Gutierrez de Oliveira
    RE: Platform Question to All   -   Craig Boyd
    Re: Platform Question to All   -   Charles Yeomans
    Re: Platform Question to All   -   Claes Lundström <
    RE: Platform Question to All   -   Hodges, Robert CTR USAF AFMC 520 SMXS/MXDEC
    Re: Platform Question to All   -   Gary MacDougall
    Re: Platform Question to All   -   Stéphane Mons <
    Re: Platform Question to All   -   scott
    Platform Question to All   -   Hodges, Robert CTR USAF AFMC 520 SMXS/MXDEC

RE: Platform Question to All
Date: 02.08.11 03:06 (Mon, 1 Aug 2011 19:06:33 -0700)
From: Joe Huber
At 11:57 AM -0600 8/1/11, Hodges wrote:
>"ToString" are pretty slick and can make life a little easier sometimes.
>
>Example:
>
>Label1.Text = SumNumber.ToString()

I've used RB's Extends feature to create AsText extension methods for
each of the common numeric types.

Put these into a global module.

Function AsText(Extends i as integer, fmt as string = "-0") As string
return Format(i, fmt)
End Function

Function AsText(Extends d as double, fmt as string = "-0.0") As string
return Format(d, fmt)
End Function

You could easily do the same thing but call them ToString to get what you want.

Hope this helps,
Joe Huber

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RE: Platform Question to All
Date: 01.08.11 19:23 (Mon, 1 Aug 2011 12:23:28 -0600)
From: Hodges, Robert CTR USAF AFMC 520 SMXS/MXDEC
Good point. I guess it's just what I'm used to. :-)


-----Original Message-----
From: <email address removed> [mailto:<email address removed>] On Behalf Of Stéphane Mons
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 12:07 PM
To: Realbasic NUG
Subject: Re: Platform Question to All

What's the difference with Val and Str ?

In RB:

Dim FirstNumber, SecondNumber, SumNumber as Integer
FirstNumber = Val(Textbox1.Text)
SecondNumber = val(Textbox2.Text)
SumNumber = FirstNumber + SecondNumber
Label1.Text = Str( SumNumber )


Le 1 août 2011 à 19:57, Hodges, Robert CTR USAF AFMC 520 SMXS/MXDEC a écrit :

> Sure, you bet - It's got the usual CType stuff, but things like "parse" and "ToString" are pretty slick and can make life a little easier sometimes.
>
> Example:
>
> Dim FirstNumber, SecondNumber, SumNumber as Integer
> FirstNumber.Focus()
> FirstNumber = Integer.Parse(Textbox1.Text)
> SecondNumber.Focus()
> SecondNumber = Integer.Parse(Textbox2.Text)
> SumNumber = FirstNumber + SecondNumber
> Label1.Text = SumNumber.ToString()
>
> - Bob
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: <email address removed> [mailto:<email address removed>] On Behalf Of Eduardo Gutierrez de Oliveira
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 8:50 AM
> To: Realbasic NUG
> Cc: Realbasic NUG
> Subject: Re: Platform Question to All
>
>> Would LOVE to see RB implement VB 2010's type conversion. (hint hint)
>
> Could you elaborate on this? I assume vb'10 is weakly typed (sort of like PHP?) but I'm not familiar with this version.
>
> --
> Eduo <email address removed>
> http://eduo.info/
>
> On 01/08/2011, at 16:20, "Hodges, Robert CTR USAF AFMC 520 SMXS/MXDEC"<<email address removed>> wrote:
>
>> I was assuming that was likely after reading up on RBs history. I was just curious about how things are these days due to fairly well-established market share numbers and all the VB6 programmers who balked at .NET (I'm one of them).
>>
>> I love the VB language itself, especially 2010 version (type conversion alone is a dream) - I just hate the .NET platform it sits on.
>>
>> Would LOVE to see RB implement VB 2010's type conversion. (hint hint)
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: <email address removed> [mailto:<email address removed>] On Behalf Of Claes Lundström
>> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 8:05 AM
>> To: Realbasic NUG
>> Subject: Re: Platform Question to All
>>
>> The Mac dominance can perhaps partially be explained that the Mac
>> version has been around for much longer that the other platforms. I
>> have been around since before the very first release, and have stayed
>> on the Mac platform since then, though I do produce both Mac and
>> Windows versions of my software.
>>
>> /Claes
>>
>>
>> 1 aug 2011 kl. 14.45 skrev Hodges, Robert CTR USAF AFMC 520 SMXS/MXDEC:
>>
>>> It hasn't taken me long as a list member to see that the majority of
>>> the
>>> users seem to be on the Mac platform.
>>>
>>> Just curious: I never have any problems with RS on Windows. And it
>>> does seem to work well on Linux, though I have seen a few permissions
>>> issues after installation that need to be messed around with a bit as
>>> well as sometimes things not displaying correctly.
>>>
>>> Those are the two platforms I use, but I never see anybody posting
>>> about
>>> them. Is it pretty much all Mac in here?
>>>
>>> Just curious, because RS is a great "Visual Basic" for both Windows
>>> and
>>> Linux as well - and if I may be so bold, seems to have a lot less
>>> issues.
>>>
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Re: Platform Question to All
Date: 01.08.11 19:06 (Mon, 1 Aug 2011 20:06:52 +0200)
From: Stéphane Mons <
What's the difference with Val and Str ?

In RB:

Dim FirstNumber, SecondNumber, SumNumber as Integer
FirstNumber = Val(Textbox1.Text)
SecondNumber = val(Textbox2.Text)
SumNumber = FirstNumber + SecondNumber
Label1.Text = Str( SumNumber )


Le 1 août 2011 à 19:57, Hodges, Robert CTR USAF AFMC 520 SMXS/MXDEC a écrit :

> Sure, you bet - It's got the usual CType stuff, but things like "parse" and "ToString" are pretty slick and can make life a little easier sometimes.
>
> Example:
>
> Dim FirstNumber, SecondNumber, SumNumber as Integer
> FirstNumber.Focus()
> FirstNumber = Integer.Parse(Textbox1.Text)
> SecondNumber.Focus()
> SecondNumber = Integer.Parse(Textbox2.Text)
> SumNumber = FirstNumber + SecondNumber
> Label1.Text = SumNumber.ToString()
>
> - Bob
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: <email address removed> [mailto:<email address removed>] On Behalf Of Eduardo Gutierrez de Oliveira
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 8:50 AM
> To: Realbasic NUG
> Cc: Realbasic NUG
> Subject: Re: Platform Question to All
>
>> Would LOVE to see RB implement VB 2010's type conversion. (hint hint)
>
> Could you elaborate on this? I assume vb'10 is weakly typed (sort of like PHP?) but I'm not familiar with this version.
>
> --
> Eduo <email address removed>
> http://eduo.info/
>
> On 01/08/2011, at 16:20, "Hodges, Robert CTR USAF AFMC 520 SMXS/MXDEC"<<email address removed>> wrote:
>
>> I was assuming that was likely after reading up on RBs history. I was just curious about how things are these days due to fairly well-established market share numbers and all the VB6 programmers who balked at .NET (I'm one of them).
>>
>> I love the VB language itself, especially 2010 version (type conversion alone is a dream) - I just hate the .NET platform it sits on.
>>
>> Would LOVE to see RB implement VB 2010's type conversion. (hint hint)
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: <email address removed> [mailto:<email address removed>] On Behalf Of Claes Lundström
>> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 8:05 AM
>> To: Realbasic NUG
>> Subject: Re: Platform Question to All
>>
>> The Mac dominance can perhaps partially be explained that the Mac
>> version has been around for much longer that the other platforms. I
>> have been around since before the very first release, and have stayed
>> on the Mac platform since then, though I do produce both Mac and
>> Windows versions of my software.
>>
>> /Claes
>>
>>
>> 1 aug 2011 kl. 14.45 skrev Hodges, Robert CTR USAF AFMC 520 SMXS/MXDEC:
>>
>>> It hasn't taken me long as a list member to see that the majority of
>>> the
>>> users seem to be on the Mac platform.
>>>
>>> Just curious: I never have any problems with RS on Windows. And it
>>> does seem to work well on Linux, though I have seen a few permissions
>>> issues after installation that need to be messed around with a bit as
>>> well as sometimes things not displaying correctly.
>>>
>>> Those are the two platforms I use, but I never see anybody posting
>>> about
>>> them. Is it pretty much all Mac in here?
>>>
>>> Just curious, because RS is a great "Visual Basic" for both Windows
>>> and
>>> Linux as well - and if I may be so bold, seems to have a lot less
>>> issues.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Unsubscribe or switch delivery mode:
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RE: Platform Question to All
Date: 01.08.11 18:57 (Mon, 1 Aug 2011 11:57:32 -0600)
From: Hodges, Robert CTR USAF AFMC 520 SMXS/MXDEC
Sure, you bet - It's got the usual CType stuff, but things like "parse" and "ToString" are pretty slick and can make life a little easier sometimes.

Example:

Dim FirstNumber, SecondNumber, SumNumber as Integer
FirstNumber.Focus()
FirstNumber = Integer.Parse(Textbox1.Text)
SecondNumber.Focus()
SecondNumber = Integer.Parse(Textbox2.Text)
SumNumber = FirstNumber + SecondNumber
Label1.Text = SumNumber.ToString()

- Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: <email address removed> [mailto:<email address removed>] On Behalf Of Eduardo Gutierrez de Oliveira
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 8:50 AM
To: Realbasic NUG
Cc: Realbasic NUG
Subject: Re: Platform Question to All

> Would LOVE to see RB implement VB 2010's type conversion. (hint hint)

Could you elaborate on this? I assume vb'10 is weakly typed (sort of like PHP?) but I'm not familiar with this version.

RE: Platform Question to All
Date: 01.08.11 17:01 (Mon, 1 Aug 2011 10:01:56 -0600)
From: Hodges, Robert CTR USAF AFMC 520 SMXS/MXDEC
Good info and sound reasoning, and yes, I agree on all counts (Win, XP
look, etc).

Thanks,

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: <email address removed>
[mailto:<email address removed>] On Behalf Of Garth
Hjelte
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 8:19 AM
To: Realbasic NUG
Subject: Re: Platform Question to All

At 07:45 AM 8/1/2011, you wrote:

>It hasn't taken me long as a list member to see that the majority of
the
>users seem to be on the Mac platform.
>
>Those are the two platforms I use, but I never see anybody posting
about
>them. Is it pretty much all Mac in here?
>
>Just curious, because RS is a great "Visual Basic" for both Windows and
>Linux as well - and if I may be so bold, seems to have a lot less
>issues.

(agreed with other posters, here's some added info)

You're right, the talk is typically Mac-based, but that may be for a
different reason then you may think. It's been posted that official
use or purchases of RS is about 50-50 Mac-Win. However, RS's big use
potential is making Mac apps, because it has less competition for a
Mac RAD tool. With Windows, there is a whole host of people making
RAD apps using VB.

So the people with more commitment to RS are devs focusing on Mac, so
as a result posts here are colored with Mac as a "de facto" platform.

On top of that, RS attracts lots of cross-platform developers like
me, and eventually they wind up developing on Mac and then compiling
on Windows with perhaps a bit of adaptation work. So again, you get
lots of talk regarding the Mac version, but sometimes you can take
those posts as thinly-veiled Windows questions.

For Windows talk, look at the recent thread I'm involved in talking
about suppressing the Problem with Shortcut or Missing Shortcut
Windows dialogs when dealing with bad shortcuts. And I just posted
one about typelibs. Windows does come up, mostly in relation to
flickering and graphical issues, which look much more unsteady than
they do in Mac. Some of this is RS, some of it is Windows itself. I
would like to see the general look of Win apps upgraded, they look
like apps created for XP.

Garth Hjelte
Sampler User

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Re: Platform Question to All
Date: 01.08.11 15:18 (Mon, 01 Aug 2011 09:18:56 -0500)
From: Garth Hjelte
At 07:45 AM 8/1/2011, you wrote:

>It hasn't taken me long as a list member to see that the majority of the
>users seem to be on the Mac platform.
>
>Those are the two platforms I use, but I never see anybody posting about
>them. Is it pretty much all Mac in here?
>
>Just curious, because RS is a great "Visual Basic" for both Windows and
>Linux as well - and if I may be so bold, seems to have a lot less
>issues.

(agreed with other posters, here's some added info)

You're right, the talk is typically Mac-based, but that may be for a
different reason then you may think. It's been posted that official
use or purchases of RS is about 50-50 Mac-Win. However, RS's big use
potential is making Mac apps, because it has less competition for a
Mac RAD tool. With Windows, there is a whole host of people making
RAD apps using VB.

So the people with more commitment to RS are devs focusing on Mac, so
as a result posts here are colored with Mac as a "de facto" platform.

On top of that, RS attracts lots of cross-platform developers like
me, and eventually they wind up developing on Mac and then compiling
on Windows with perhaps a bit of adaptation work. So again, you get
lots of talk regarding the Mac version, but sometimes you can take
those posts as thinly-veiled Windows questions.

For Windows talk, look at the recent thread I'm involved in talking
about suppressing the Problem with Shortcut or Missing Shortcut
Windows dialogs when dealing with bad shortcuts. And I just posted
one about typelibs. Windows does come up, mostly in relation to
flickering and graphical issues, which look much more unsteady than
they do in Mac. Some of this is RS, some of it is Windows itself. I
would like to see the general look of Win apps upgraded, they look
like apps created for XP.

Garth Hjelte
Sampler User

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RE: Platform Question to All
Date: 01.08.11 15:32 (Mon, 1 Aug 2011 10:32:26 -0400)
From: Craig Boyd
"I reverse this philosophy by
having them keep track of me. Funny how it seems to work, as a Linux
user will switch distros at the drop of a hat to run the apps they
want."

That is actually not a bad idea. I will have to give that some more
thought! Thanks!

Craigbert

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From: <email address removed>
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Hodges,Robert CTR USAF AFMC 520 SMXS/MXDEC
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 9:27 AM
To: Realbasic NUG
Subject: RE: Platform Question to All

Personally, I'm SUSE/KDE all the way. If it's good enough for NASA's
supercomputers, it's good enough for me. :-)

Any linux app I develop, I specify KDE or GNOME as a prereq. I support
no other Window manager, and I support no specific distro whatsoever
other than explaining that the software is developed and tested in
OpenSUSE and SUSE Enterprise.

Linux can be messy if you're trying to support everyone. I, on the
other hand, don't waste my time attempting to keep track of the
scattered mess the Linux world is in. I reverse this philosophy by
having them keep track of me. Funny how it seems to work, as a Linux
user will switch distros at the drop of a hat to run the apps they want.

;-)



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From: <email address removed>
[mailto:<email address removed>] On Behalf Of Craig
Boyd
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 8:14 AM
To: Realbasic NUG
Subject: RE: Platform Question to All

Robert,

I am in a very similar boat as you. I do mostly Windows and some Linux
and it is GREAT fun. For me, I have had two Windows specific things
bite me:

1. Windows Refresh - this is not as clean as I would like, but within
the last 12 to 18 months (I forget the exact timing) RS spent some
significant time focusing on it and got it looking and working much
better.

2. ActiveX Objects - I wish the ActiveX stuff was a little more simple.
Again, RS has done a great job with this so while there is *some* room
for whining there is not a lot. And when I do start messing with the
ActiveX stuff I usually chant to myself "REALbasic is not Visual Basic"
and "Think of how much more difficult this could be with .NET" After
about 10 or 15 minutes I am feeling much better and press on.

Other than that Windows development has been great fun.

Linux is also fun, but it is a completely different animal. Multiple
window managers, distributions, philosophies about what drivers should /
should not be included or even allowed. It is an endless list. I stick
with Kubuntu/Ubuntu (my preference is KDE over Gnome), openSUSE (out of
my faithfulness to Novell) and Red Hat. I don't mess with the other
distributions because, frankly, who has the time? :)

Thanks,

Craig Boyd
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Hodges,Robert CTR USAF AFMC 520 SMXS/MXDEC
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 8:48 AM
To: Realbasic NUG
Subject: RE: Platform Question to All

Good answers from everyone so far, thanks. No surprises, but good info.

Coming from the Windows side, I agree, it's a better VB than VB ("VB
6.5?"). Piece of cake to compile and whip up a nice InstallShield GUI
installer for the app (both Windows & Linux). No .NET mess of any kind,
and yes, very stable.

I am also a Linux fan, so I'm sure I will eventually have questions. It
was the cross-platform on the Linux side that got me to first take
notice of RB. I never deal with Macs, so that platform is not a concern
for me with RB. Nice to know I could compile for that platform, though.

The Windows side is fun and stable, but it's a thrill to use the native
Linux version of the IDE in Linux itself and compile & run directly.
That's a whole new world to a Windows user. Compiling a Windows app
while working in Linux is also goofy, but a lot of fun.

So from the Windows/Linux perspective, which is where I'm at, it's true
- the compiled apps are as close to bulletproof as I've ever seen, which
is exactly as I was hoping/needing.

Sorry, I know this is just banter. But fun products have a habit of
doing that. :-)

Thanks for the info, folks.

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From: <email address removed>
[mailto:<email address removed>] On Behalf Of Gary
MacDougall
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 7:17 AM
To: Realbasic NUG
Subject: Re: Platform Question to All

Robert,

Our product which is built in RealBasic is a Windows based application.
We work mainly in Windows.

We chose RB over .NET, Dephi and various other tools for a couple
reasons.

1. Cross platform possibilities (our business is mainly Windows, but we
want to support the Mac and Linux)
2. The language was a "better" VB and it was compiled (though I wish we
could go back to a one EXE distribution!)
3. The community here is excellent.

We've had very little problems on the Windows side of things. The
problems we've had are mainly around the IDE
and some bugs or glitches. The application, once compiled and
distributed has been running very well for us.

If you have any specific Windows questions, you can email me off the
list.

Gary


On Aug 1, 2011, at 8:45 AM, Hodges, Robert CTR USAF AFMC 520 SMXS/MXDEC
wrote:

> It hasn't taken me long as a list member to see that the majority of
the
> users seem to be on the Mac platform.
>
> Just curious: I never have any problems with RS on Windows. And it
> does seem to work well on Linux, though I have seen a few permissions
> issues after installation that need to be messed around with a bit as
> well as sometimes things not displaying correctly.
>
> Those are the two platforms I use, but I never see anybody posting
about
> them. Is it pretty much all Mac in here?
>
> Just curious, because RS is a great "Visual Basic" for both Windows
and
> Linux as well - and if I may be so bold, seems to have a lot less
> issues.
>
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RE: Platform Question to All
Date: 01.08.11 15:27 (Mon, 1 Aug 2011 08:27:21 -0600)
From: Hodges, Robert CTR USAF AFMC 520 SMXS/MXDEC
Personally, I'm SUSE/KDE all the way. If it's good enough for NASA's
supercomputers, it's good enough for me. :-)

Any linux app I develop, I specify KDE or GNOME as a prereq. I support
no other Window manager, and I support no specific distro whatsoever
other than explaining that the software is developed and tested in
OpenSUSE and SUSE Enterprise.

Linux can be messy if you're trying to support everyone. I, on the
other hand, don't waste my time attempting to keep track of the
scattered mess the Linux world is in. I reverse this philosophy by
having them keep track of me. Funny how it seems to work, as a Linux
user will switch distros at the drop of a hat to run the apps they want.

;-)



-----Original Message-----
From: <email address removed>
[mailto:<email address removed>] On Behalf Of Craig
Boyd
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 8:14 AM
To: Realbasic NUG
Subject: RE: Platform Question to All

Robert,

I am in a very similar boat as you. I do mostly Windows and some Linux
and it is GREAT fun. For me, I have had two Windows specific things
bite me:

1. Windows Refresh - this is not as clean as I would like, but within
the last 12 to 18 months (I forget the exact timing) RS spent some
significant time focusing on it and got it looking and working much
better.

2. ActiveX Objects - I wish the ActiveX stuff was a little more simple.
Again, RS has done a great job with this so while there is *some* room
for whining there is not a lot. And when I do start messing with the
ActiveX stuff I usually chant to myself "REALbasic is not Visual Basic"
and "Think of how much more difficult this could be with .NET" After
about 10 or 15 minutes I am feeling much better and press on.

Other than that Windows development has been great fun.

Linux is also fun, but it is a completely different animal. Multiple
window managers, distributions, philosophies about what drivers should /
should not be included or even allowed. It is an endless list. I stick
with Kubuntu/Ubuntu (my preference is KDE over Gnome), openSUSE (out of
my faithfulness to Novell) and Red Hat. I don't mess with the other
distributions because, frankly, who has the time? :)

Thanks,

Craig Boyd
-----Original Message-----
From: <email address removed>
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Hodges,Robert CTR USAF AFMC 520 SMXS/MXDEC
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 8:48 AM
To: Realbasic NUG
Subject: RE: Platform Question to All

Good answers from everyone so far, thanks. No surprises, but good info.

Coming from the Windows side, I agree, it's a better VB than VB ("VB
6.5?"). Piece of cake to compile and whip up a nice InstallShield GUI
installer for the app (both Windows & Linux). No .NET mess of any kind,
and yes, very stable.

I am also a Linux fan, so I'm sure I will eventually have questions. It
was the cross-platform on the Linux side that got me to first take
notice of RB. I never deal with Macs, so that platform is not a concern
for me with RB. Nice to know I could compile for that platform, though.

The Windows side is fun and stable, but it's a thrill to use the native
Linux version of the IDE in Linux itself and compile & run directly.
That's a whole new world to a Windows user. Compiling a Windows app
while working in Linux is also goofy, but a lot of fun.

So from the Windows/Linux perspective, which is where I'm at, it's true
- the compiled apps are as close to bulletproof as I've ever seen, which
is exactly as I was hoping/needing.

Sorry, I know this is just banter. But fun products have a habit of
doing that. :-)

Thanks for the info, folks.

-----Original Message-----
From: <email address removed>
[mailto:<email address removed>] On Behalf Of Gary
MacDougall
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 7:17 AM
To: Realbasic NUG
Subject: Re: Platform Question to All

Robert,

Our product which is built in RealBasic is a Windows based application.
We work mainly in Windows.

We chose RB over .NET, Dephi and various other tools for a couple
reasons.

1. Cross platform possibilities (our business is mainly Windows, but we
want to support the Mac and Linux)
2. The language was a "better" VB and it was compiled (though I wish we
could go back to a one EXE distribution!)
3. The community here is excellent.

We've had very little problems on the Windows side of things. The
problems we've had are mainly around the IDE
and some bugs or glitches. The application, once compiled and
distributed has been running very well for us.

If you have any specific Windows questions, you can email me off the
list.

Gary


On Aug 1, 2011, at 8:45 AM, Hodges, Robert CTR USAF AFMC 520 SMXS/MXDEC
wrote:

> It hasn't taken me long as a list member to see that the majority of
the
> users seem to be on the Mac platform.
>
> Just curious: I never have any problems with RS on Windows. And it
> does seem to work well on Linux, though I have seen a few permissions
> issues after installation that need to be messed around with a bit as
> well as sometimes things not displaying correctly.
>
> Those are the two platforms I use, but I never see anybody posting
about
> them. Is it pretty much all Mac in here?
>
> Just curious, because RS is a great "Visual Basic" for both Windows
and
> Linux as well - and if I may be so bold, seems to have a lot less
> issues.
>
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RE: Platform Question to All
Date: 01.08.11 15:20 (Mon, 1 Aug 2011 08:20:02 -0600)
From: Hodges, Robert CTR USAF AFMC 520 SMXS/MXDEC
I was assuming that was likely after reading up on RBs history. I was just curious about how things are these days due to fairly well-established market share numbers and all the VB6 programmers who balked at .NET (I'm one of them).

I love the VB language itself, especially 2010 version (type conversion alone is a dream) - I just hate the .NET platform it sits on.

Would LOVE to see RB implement VB 2010's type conversion. (hint hint)


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From: <email address removed> [mailto:<email address removed>] On Behalf Of Claes Lundström
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 8:05 AM
To: Realbasic NUG
Subject: Re: Platform Question to All

The Mac dominance can perhaps partially be explained that the Mac
version has been around for much longer that the other platforms. I
have been around since before the very first release, and have stayed
on the Mac platform since then, though I do produce both Mac and
Windows versions of my software.

/Claes

1 aug 2011 kl. 14.45 skrev Hodges, Robert CTR USAF AFMC 520 SMXS/MXDEC:

> It hasn't taken me long as a list member to see that the majority of
> the
> users seem to be on the Mac platform.
>
> Just curious: I never have any problems with RS on Windows. And it
> does seem to work well on Linux, though I have seen a few permissions
> issues after installation that need to be messed around with a bit as
> well as sometimes things not displaying correctly.
>
> Those are the two platforms I use, but I never see anybody posting
> about
> them. Is it pretty much all Mac in here?
>
> Just curious, because RS is a great "Visual Basic" for both Windows
> and
> Linux as well - and if I may be so bold, seems to have a lot less
> issues.
>
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Re: Platform Question to All
Date: 01.08.11 15:50 (Mon, 01 Aug 2011 16:50:10 +0200)
From: Eduardo Gutierrez de Oliveira
> Would LOVE to see RB implement VB 2010's type conversion. (hint hint)

Could you elaborate on this? I assume vb'10 is weakly typed (sort of like PHP?) but I'm not familiar with this version.

RE: Platform Question to All
Date: 01.08.11 15:13 (Mon, 1 Aug 2011 10:13:42 -0400)
From: Craig Boyd
Robert,

I am in a very similar boat as you. I do mostly Windows and some Linux
and it is GREAT fun. For me, I have had two Windows specific things
bite me:

1. Windows Refresh - this is not as clean as I would like, but within
the last 12 to 18 months (I forget the exact timing) RS spent some
significant time focusing on it and got it looking and working much
better.

2. ActiveX Objects - I wish the ActiveX stuff was a little more simple.
Again, RS has done a great job with this so while there is *some* room
for whining there is not a lot. And when I do start messing with the
ActiveX stuff I usually chant to myself "REALbasic is not Visual Basic"
and "Think of how much more difficult this could be with .NET" After
about 10 or 15 minutes I am feeling much better and press on.

Other than that Windows development has been great fun.

Linux is also fun, but it is a completely different animal. Multiple
window managers, distributions, philosophies about what drivers should /
should not be included or even allowed. It is an endless list. I stick
with Kubuntu/Ubuntu (my preference is KDE over Gnome), openSUSE (out of
my faithfulness to Novell) and Red Hat. I don't mess with the other
distributions because, frankly, who has the time? :)

Thanks,

Craig Boyd
-----Original Message-----
From: <email address removed>
[mailto:<email address removed>] On Behalf Of
Hodges,Robert CTR USAF AFMC 520 SMXS/MXDEC
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 8:48 AM
To: Realbasic NUG
Subject: RE: Platform Question to All

Good answers from everyone so far, thanks. No surprises, but good info.

Coming from the Windows side, I agree, it's a better VB than VB ("VB
6.5?"). Piece of cake to compile and whip up a nice InstallShield GUI
installer for the app (both Windows & Linux). No .NET mess of any kind,
and yes, very stable.

I am also a Linux fan, so I'm sure I will eventually have questions. It
was the cross-platform on the Linux side that got me to first take
notice of RB. I never deal with Macs, so that platform is not a concern
for me with RB. Nice to know I could compile for that platform, though.

The Windows side is fun and stable, but it's a thrill to use the native
Linux version of the IDE in Linux itself and compile & run directly.
That's a whole new world to a Windows user. Compiling a Windows app
while working in Linux is also goofy, but a lot of fun.

So from the Windows/Linux perspective, which is where I'm at, it's true
- the compiled apps are as close to bulletproof as I've ever seen, which
is exactly as I was hoping/needing.

Sorry, I know this is just banter. But fun products have a habit of
doing that. :-)

Thanks for the info, folks.

-----Original Message-----
From: <email address removed>
[mailto:<email address removed>] On Behalf Of Gary
MacDougall
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 7:17 AM
To: Realbasic NUG
Subject: Re: Platform Question to All

Robert,

Our product which is built in RealBasic is a Windows based application.
We work mainly in Windows.

We chose RB over .NET, Dephi and various other tools for a couple
reasons.

1. Cross platform possibilities (our business is mainly Windows, but we
want to support the Mac and Linux)
2. The language was a "better" VB and it was compiled (though I wish we
could go back to a one EXE distribution!)
3. The community here is excellent.

We've had very little problems on the Windows side of things. The
problems we've had are mainly around the IDE
and some bugs or glitches. The application, once compiled and
distributed has been running very well for us.

If you have any specific Windows questions, you can email me off the
list.

Gary


On Aug 1, 2011, at 8:45 AM, Hodges, Robert CTR USAF AFMC 520 SMXS/MXDEC
wrote:

> It hasn't taken me long as a list member to see that the majority of
the
> users seem to be on the Mac platform.
>
> Just curious: I never have any problems with RS on Windows. And it
> does seem to work well on Linux, though I have seen a few permissions
> issues after installation that need to be messed around with a bit as
> well as sometimes things not displaying correctly.
>
> Those are the two platforms I use, but I never see anybody posting
about
> them. Is it pretty much all Mac in here?
>
> Just curious, because RS is a great "Visual Basic" for both Windows
and
> Linux as well - and if I may be so bold, seems to have a lot less
> issues.
>
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Re: Platform Question to All
Date: 01.08.11 15:10 (Mon, 1 Aug 2011 10:10:28 -0400)
From: Charles Yeomans

On Aug 1, 2011, at 8:45 AM, Hodges, Robert CTR USAF AFMC 520 SMXS/MXDEC wrote:

> It hasn't taken me long as a list member to see that the majority of the
> users seem to be on the Mac platform.
>
> Just curious: I never have any problems with RS on Windows. And it
> does seem to work well on Linux, though I have seen a few permissions
> issues after installation that need to be messed around with a bit as
> well as sometimes things not displaying correctly.
>
> Those are the two platforms I use, but I never see anybody posting about
> them. Is it pretty much all Mac in here?

Our company develops for all three platforms, but we started with Linux. We do our development on Macs, though :)

Charles Yeomans
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Re: Platform Question to All
Date: 01.08.11 15:05 (Mon, 1 Aug 2011 16:05:27 +0200)
From: Claes Lundström <
The Mac dominance can perhaps partially be explained that the Mac
version has been around for much longer that the other platforms. I
have been around since before the very first release, and have stayed
on the Mac platform since then, though I do produce both Mac and
Windows versions of my software.

/Claes

1 aug 2011 kl. 14.45 skrev Hodges, Robert CTR USAF AFMC 520 SMXS/MXDEC:

> It hasn't taken me long as a list member to see that the majority of
> the
> users seem to be on the Mac platform.
>
> Just curious: I never have any problems with RS on Windows. And it
> does seem to work well on Linux, though I have seen a few permissions
> issues after installation that need to be messed around with a bit as
> well as sometimes things not displaying correctly.
>
> Those are the two platforms I use, but I never see anybody posting
> about
> them. Is it pretty much all Mac in here?
>
> Just curious, because RS is a great "Visual Basic" for both Windows
> and
> Linux as well - and if I may be so bold, seems to have a lot less
> issues.
>
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RE: Platform Question to All
Date: 01.08.11 14:47 (Mon, 1 Aug 2011 07:47:46 -0600)
From: Hodges, Robert CTR USAF AFMC 520 SMXS/MXDEC
Good answers from everyone so far, thanks. No surprises, but good info.

Coming from the Windows side, I agree, it's a better VB than VB ("VB
6.5?"). Piece of cake to compile and whip up a nice InstallShield GUI
installer for the app (both Windows & Linux). No .NET mess of any kind,
and yes, very stable.

I am also a Linux fan, so I'm sure I will eventually have questions. It
was the cross-platform on the Linux side that got me to first take
notice of RB. I never deal with Macs, so that platform is not a concern
for me with RB. Nice to know I could compile for that platform, though.

The Windows side is fun and stable, but it's a thrill to use the native
Linux version of the IDE in Linux itself and compile & run directly.
That's a whole new world to a Windows user. Compiling a Windows app
while working in Linux is also goofy, but a lot of fun.

So from the Windows/Linux perspective, which is where I'm at, it's true
- the compiled apps are as close to bulletproof as I've ever seen, which
is exactly as I was hoping/needing.

Sorry, I know this is just banter. But fun products have a habit of
doing that. :-)

Thanks for the info, folks.

-----Original Message-----
From: <email address removed>
[mailto:<email address removed>] On Behalf Of Gary
MacDougall
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 7:17 AM
To: Realbasic NUG
Subject: Re: Platform Question to All

Robert,

Our product which is built in RealBasic is a Windows based application.
We work mainly in Windows.

We chose RB over .NET, Dephi and various other tools for a couple
reasons.

1. Cross platform possibilities (our business is mainly Windows, but we
want to support the Mac and Linux)
2. The language was a "better" VB and it was compiled (though I wish we
could go back to a one EXE distribution!)
3. The community here is excellent.

We've had very little problems on the Windows side of things. The
problems we've had are mainly around the IDE
and some bugs or glitches. The application, once compiled and
distributed has been running very well for us.

If you have any specific Windows questions, you can email me off the
list.

Gary


On Aug 1, 2011, at 8:45 AM, Hodges, Robert CTR USAF AFMC 520 SMXS/MXDEC
wrote:

> It hasn't taken me long as a list member to see that the majority of
the
> users seem to be on the Mac platform.
>
> Just curious: I never have any problems with RS on Windows. And it
> does seem to work well on Linux, though I have seen a few permissions
> issues after installation that need to be messed around with a bit as
> well as sometimes things not displaying correctly.
>
> Those are the two platforms I use, but I never see anybody posting
about
> them. Is it pretty much all Mac in here?
>
> Just curious, because RS is a great "Visual Basic" for both Windows
and
> Linux as well - and if I may be so bold, seems to have a lot less
> issues.
>
> _______________________________________________
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Re: Platform Question to All
Date: 01.08.11 14:17 (Mon, 1 Aug 2011 09:17:19 -0400)
From: Gary MacDougall
Robert,

Our product which is built in RealBasic is a Windows based application. We work mainly in Windows.

We chose RB over .NET, Dephi and various other tools for a couple reasons.

1. Cross platform possibilities (our business is mainly Windows, but we want to support the Mac and Linux)
2. The language was a "better" VB and it was compiled (though I wish we could go back to a one EXE distribution!)
3. The community here is excellent.

We've had very little problems on the Windows side of things. The problems we've had are mainly around the IDE
and some bugs or glitches. The application, once compiled and distributed has been running very well for us.

If you have any specific Windows questions, you can email me off the list.

Gary


On Aug 1, 2011, at 8:45 AM, Hodges, Robert CTR USAF AFMC 520 SMXS/MXDEC wrote:

> It hasn't taken me long as a list member to see that the majority of the
> users seem to be on the Mac platform.
>
> Just curious: I never have any problems with RS on Windows. And it
> does seem to work well on Linux, though I have seen a few permissions
> issues after installation that need to be messed around with a bit as
> well as sometimes things not displaying correctly.
>
> Those are the two platforms I use, but I never see anybody posting about
> them. Is it pretty much all Mac in here?
>
> Just curious, because RS is a great "Visual Basic" for both Windows and
> Linux as well - and if I may be so bold, seems to have a lot less
> issues.
>
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Re: Platform Question to All
Date: 01.08.11 14:08 (Mon, 1 Aug 2011 15:08:26 +0200)
From: Stéphane Mons <
Well there are a lot of Mac users here but the real point at the moment is that RS must some important transitions on the Mac platform: moving to Cocoa, moving to LLVM and fixing bugs which appeared with Lion. This may create a large flow of messages about the Mac.

5 REM My Signature
10 PRINT "Stéphane"
20 GOTO 10

Le 1 août 2011 à 14:45, Hodges, Robert CTR USAF AFMC 520 SMXS/MXDEC a écrit :

> It hasn't taken me long as a list member to see that the majority of the
> users seem to be on the Mac platform.
>
> Just curious: I never have any problems with RS on Windows. And it
> does seem to work well on Linux, though I have seen a few permissions
> issues after installation that need to be messed around with a bit as
> well as sometimes things not displaying correctly.
>
> Those are the two platforms I use, but I never see anybody posting about
> them. Is it pretty much all Mac in here?
>
> Just curious, because RS is a great "Visual Basic" for both Windows and
> Linux as well - and if I may be so bold, seems to have a lot less
> issues.
>
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Re: Platform Question to All
Date: 01.08.11 14:03 (Mon, 1 Aug 2011 09:03:20 -0400)
From: scott
my company's primary target platform is Mac. But some of our
tools/apps are Windows/Linux also. All the developers use Mac
HW/MacOSX. So we are the classical "Mac Shop". In the server room we
are primarily Linux.

As for you seeing that the "Mac folk" are the ones that are most vocal
about issues, that doesnt surprise me. I tend a lot of the local UGs
(User Groups). Everything from Linux to Mac to Perl to Ruby to Google
Apps to whatever. And here is what I have observed. Yes it is jaded
with my feelings towards the platforms although I try not to let my
feelings persuade the results.

MAC) tend to ask questions of others to get past issues, speedbumps,
or even lack of knowledge on a subject ("how can I .....?" ). This
group of people tend to ask questions since it seems that asking them
is the right thing to do.

LINUX) tend to ask few questions of others. Mostly have the attitude
of "fix it yourself". I tend to fall into this category although I am
a Mac-guy. The questions I see (not just here but in all over) from
Linux people are the really odd edge-cases. Which are the rare ones.

WINDOWS) tend to either accept the errors/issues or work around them.
A lady I support was having an issue on her laptop (like every 15
minutes this error would pop up) and she would just dismiss it. When
I was helping her with something else i noticed it and fixed it. 2
minute fix. I asked her why she didnt say something to me and her
response (which is not that uncommon) was "I just close the error
message. I get plenty of them. I just ignore them." And this isnt
uncommon. Which is sad. I dont know if we (collective we) have
conditioned the end users (especially in business) to accept the
issues/errors.

thanks and good luck!

On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Hodges, Robert CTR USAF AFMC 520
SMXS/MXDEC <<email address removed>> wrote:
> It hasn't taken me long as a list member to see that the majority of the
> users seem to be on the Mac platform.
>
> Just curious:  I never have any problems with RS on Windows.  And it
> does seem to work well on Linux, though I have seen a few permissions
> issues after installation that need to be messed around with a bit as
> well as sometimes things not displaying correctly.
>
> Those are the two platforms I use, but I never see anybody posting about
> them.  Is it pretty much all Mac in here?
>
> Just curious, because RS is a great "Visual Basic" for both Windows and
> Linux as well - and if I may be so bold, seems to have a lot less
> issues.
>
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Platform Question to All
Date: 01.08.11 13:45 (Mon, 1 Aug 2011 06:45:20 -0600)
From: Hodges, Robert CTR USAF AFMC 520 SMXS/MXDEC
It hasn't taken me long as a list member to see that the majority of the
users seem to be on the Mac platform.

Just curious: I never have any problems with RS on Windows. And it
does seem to work well on Linux, though I have seen a few permissions
issues after installation that need to be messed around with a bit as
well as sometimes things not displaying correctly.

Those are the two platforms I use, but I never see anybody posting about
them. Is it pretty much all Mac in here?

Just curious, because RS is a great "Visual Basic" for both Windows and
Linux as well - and if I may be so bold, seems to have a lot less
issues.

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