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Re: Is MAS worth the submitting process difficulties?   -   Garth Hjelte
  Re: Is MAS worth the submitting process difficulties?   -   jda
  Re: Is MAS worth the submitting process difficulties?   -   Norman Palardy
  Re: Is MAS worth the submitting process difficulties?   -   jda
   Is MAS worth the submitting process difficulties?   -   Eric de La Rochette
    Re: Is MAS worth the submitting process difficulties?   -   Tim Jones
    Re: Is MAS worth the submitting process difficulties?   -   Tim Jones
    Re: Is MAS worth the submitting process difficulties?   -   Stan Busk
     Re: Is MAS worth the submitting process difficulties?   -   Eric de La Rochette
    Re: Is MAS worth the submitting process difficulties?   -   Jaap Cammeraat
     Re: Is MAS worth the submitting process difficulties?   -   Eric de La Rochette
    Re: Is MAS worth the submitting process difficulties?   -   Tim Jones
    Re: Is MAS worth the submitting process difficulties?   -   Christian Schmitz
  RealStudio 2011r3 unexpectedly quits on start up. Why?   -   Ken Winograd

Re: Is MAS worth the submitting process difficulties?
Date: 22.09.11 15:19 (Thu, 22 Sep 2011 09:19:35 -0500)
From: Garth Hjelte
At 09:04 AM 9/22/2011, you wrote:

> >> though, is sandboxing. Since RS Carbon can't be sandboxed, and Cocoa
> >> won't be a viable option for me for at least several more releases
> >> (the app is quite complex and RS Cocoa just has too many problems) I

> >Have you joined the beta list to check progress on Cocoa ?

>Yes, I try it with every beta release and I've filed my share of
>reports. But as you know, although there has been a lot of progress,
>there are still lots of things that aren't working as they should in
>Cocoa, and even cosmetic problems that don't directly affect function
>are sufficient to preclude the release of a professional app.

As long as RS Cocoa is in beta, my Cocoa-built apps stay in ALPHA.
When RS Cocoa is released, THEN my Cocoa-built apps can go into BETA
and then and only then can I ascertain if they are ready for public
consumption; that is, RELEASE.

There's only one party that should be taking direct advantage of the
fact that the public can compile to Cocoa in RS. That's RealSoftware.
For the RS user, the indirect benefits are getting a head start on
necessary code changes (although RS committed on making it (at least)
as transparent as possible) and perhaps a little fun being part of
the beta process. But in principle no one should ever release a RS
Cocoa app until RS themselves can release it.

For myself, the public beta of RS Cocoa is just phantom knowledge. My
2 cents.

Garth Hjelte
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Re: Is MAS worth the submitting process difficulties?
Date: 22.09.11 15:04 (Thu, 22 Sep 2011 10:04:22 -0400)
From: jda
> > The MAS has been great for me. The big issue looming over my head,
>> though, is sandboxing. Since RS Carbon can't be sandboxed, and Cocoa
>> won't be a viable option for me for at least several more releases
>> (the app is quite complex and RS Cocoa just has too many problems) I
>> may have to withdraw my app if I can't update it. This will be, to
>> say the least, awkward.
>
>Have you joined the beta list to check progress on Cocoa ?
>

Yes, I try it with every beta release and I've filed my share of
reports. But as you know, although there has been a lot of progress,
there are still lots of things that aren't working as they should in
Cocoa, and even cosmetic problems that don't directly affect function
are sufficient to preclude the release of a professional app.

Jon

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Re: Is MAS worth the submitting process difficulties?
Date: 21.09.11 20:16 (Wed, 21 Sep 2011 13:16:11 -0600)
From: Norman Palardy

On Sep 21, 2011, at 1:08 PM, jda wrote:

>> > The only drawback is the day you get thrown out the MAS for
>> whatever reason. Apple is quite creative with 'reasons'.
>>
> The MAS has been great for me. The big issue looming over my head,
> though, is sandboxing. Since RS Carbon can't be sandboxed, and Cocoa
> won't be a viable option for me for at least several more releases
> (the app is quite complex and RS Cocoa just has too many problems) I
> may have to withdraw my app if I can't update it. This will be, to
> say the least, awkward.

Have you joined the beta list to check progress on Cocoa ?

Norman Palardy

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Re: Is MAS worth the submitting process difficulties?
Date: 21.09.11 20:08 (Wed, 21 Sep 2011 15:08:18 -0400)
From: jda
> > The only drawback is the day you get thrown out the MAS for
>whatever reason. Apple is quite creative with 'reasons'.
>

The MAS has been great for me. The big issue looming over my head,
though, is sandboxing. Since RS Carbon can't be sandboxed, and Cocoa
won't be a viable option for me for at least several more releases
(the app is quite complex and RS Cocoa just has too many problems) I
may have to withdraw my app if I can't update it. This will be, to
say the least, awkward.

Jon

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Is MAS worth the submitting process difficulties?
Date: 20.09.11 17:06 (Tue, 20 Sep 2011 16:06:54 +0000)
From: Eric de La Rochette
Hi,

Since one can submit REALbasic made applications to the App store, we have seen a few rant about the not easy 'getting my app approved' process. But in the long run, and talking about money, does it worth the troubles?

Re: Is MAS worth the submitting process difficulties?
Date: 21.09.11 23:48 (Wed, 21 Sep 2011 15:48:34 -0700)
From: Tim Jones
On Sep 21, 2011, at 3:41 PM, Eric de La Rochette wrote:

> On Sep 21, 2011, at 12:09 , Stan Busk wrote:
>
>> Ignoring the MAS is plain silly. I am quite silly myself however I have four apps in the MAS. During the process of getting granted to sell there, you learn to hate Apple and you can find out how stupid the process may look like. Once your app is in the MAS, the pleasure is inversely proportional to the pain and frustration you suffered to get there. Once money starts to flow you don't wan't to close the tap, believe me!
>
> And how do you handle major paying updates?

Simple - you create a new Bundle ID for the new submission and submit it like a new app, removing the old version. It must be a new product if you want to be paid again by current owners.

Tim

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Re: Is MAS worth the submitting process difficulties?
Date: 21.09.11 15:47 (Wed, 21 Sep 2011 07:47:51 -0700)
From: Tim Jones
On Sep 21, 2011, at 5:09 AM, Stan Busk wrote:

> The only drawback is the day you get thrown out the MAS for whatever reason. Apple is quite creative with 'reasons'.

Amen! My iTunes statusbar app was named "Current iTunes Status" for 5 updates. Finally, on my sixth update, they decided that I could no longer use the term iTunes in the name like that. I personally felt that there should be some form of "grandfathering" since it was their mistake to allow it in the first place. But no luck with the appeal process. Therefore, the name is now "What's Playing Now" for iTunes…

Fluid rules. Makes sense to me :-(

Tim

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Re: Is MAS worth the submitting process difficulties?
Date: 21.09.11 13:09 (Wed, 21 Sep 2011 14:09:26 +0200)
From: Stan Busk

An app of mine that doesn't sell well on my site, perform very well on the MAS.
An app of mine that sells very well on my site, perform very poorly on the MAS.

I don't know why for sure but I believe it is because the first one is intended for domestic users and the second one for companies. BTW, since Lion was released MAS sales are slightly higher (at least for me).
Right now I am about to test the sales of an app that doesn't sell at all on my site, not a single copy! The app is in review on the MAS, I am sure I will sell copies in the MAS. Just a feeling. A feeling that the MAS is just different, a different channel.

Ignoring the MAS is plain silly. I am quite silly myself however I have four apps in the MAS. During the process of getting granted to sell there, you learn to hate Apple and you can find out how stupid the process may look like. Once your app is in the MAS, the pleasure is inversely proportional to the pain and frustration you suffered to get there. Once money starts to flow you don't wan't to close the tap, believe me!

The only drawback is the day you get thrown out the MAS for whatever reason. Apple is quite creative with 'reasons'.

stan

> Hi,
>
> Since one can submit REALbasic made applications to the App store, we have seen a few rant about the not easy 'getting my app approved' process. But in the long run, and talking about money, does it worth the troubles?
>
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Re: Is MAS worth the submitting process difficulties?
Date: 21.09.11 23:41 (Wed, 21 Sep 2011 22:41:00 +0000)
From: Eric de La Rochette

On Sep 21, 2011, at 12:09 , Stan Busk wrote:

> Ignoring the MAS is plain silly. I am quite silly myself however I have four apps in the MAS. During the process of getting granted to sell there, you learn to hate Apple and you can find out how stupid the process may look like. Once your app is in the MAS, the pleasure is inversely proportional to the pain and frustration you suffered to get there. Once money starts to flow you don't wan't to close the tap, believe me!

And how do you handle major paying updates?

Re: Is MAS worth the submitting process difficulties?
Date: 20.09.11 18:02 (Tue, 20 Sep 2011 19:02:34 +0200)
From: Jaap Cammeraat
Absolutely!
And they find your website and see your other not-MAS-Apps...

Op 20 sep. 2011, om 18:06 heeft Eric de La Rochette het volgende geschreven:

> Hi,
>
> Since one can submit REALbasic made applications to the App store, we have seen a few rant about the not easy 'getting my app approved' process. But in the long run, and talking about money, does it worth the troubles?
>
> --
> Eric.
>
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Re: Is MAS worth the submitting process difficulties?
Date: 20.09.11 19:42 (Tue, 20 Sep 2011 18:42:20 +0000)
From: Eric de La Rochette

On Sep 20, 2011, at 17:02 , Jaap Cammeraat wrote:

> Absolutely!
> And they find your website and see your other not-MAS-Apps...

I like this one!

Re: Is MAS worth the submitting process difficulties?
Date: 20.09.11 17:50 (Tue, 20 Sep 2011 09:50:38 -0700)
From: Tim Jones
On Sep 20, 2011, at 9:06 AM, Eric de La Rochette wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Since one can submit REALbasic made applications to the App store, we have seen a few rant about the not easy 'getting my app approved' process. But in the long run, and talking about money, does it worth the troubles?

While two of my apps are free and of very "vertical" use and placed on the App store just to cover the bases, my "What's Playing Now" iTunes statusbar app is doing pretty well.

Tim

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Re: Is MAS worth the submitting process difficulties?
Date: 20.09.11 17:41 (Tue, 20 Sep 2011 18:41:24 +0200)
From: Christian Schmitz

Am 20.09.2011 um 18:06 schrieb Eric de La Rochette:

> Hi,
>
> Since one can submit REALbasic made applications to the App store, we have seen a few rant about the not easy 'getting my app approved' process. But in the long run, and talking about money, does it worth the troubles?

Yes.

And the trouble is not big.

Greetings
Christian