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Re: [MBS] MIDI Destinations and External Devices   -   Ron Benditt
  [MBS] Let's talk about the updates   -   Christian Schmitz
   Re: [MBS] Let's talk about the updates   -   Keith DeLong
    Re: [MBS] Let's talk about the updates   -   Christian Schmitz
     Re: [MBS] Let's talk about the updates   -   Christian Miller
     Re: [MBS] Let's talk about the updates   -   Keith DeLong
      Re: [MBS] Let's talk about the updates   -   Christian Schmitz
       Re: [MBS] Let's talk about the updates   -   Travis Hill
        Re: [MBS] Let's talk about the updates   -   Christian Schmitz
         Re: [MBS] Let's talk about the updates   -   Travis Hill
          Re: [MBS] Let's talk about the updates   -   Christian Schmitz
           Re: [MBS] Let's talk about the updates   -   Travis Hill

[MBS] Let's talk about the updates
Date: 04.01.03 19:09 (Sat, 4 Jan 2003 19:09:57 +0100)
From: Christian Schmitz
Hi,

I had some difficulties. First the webstores which are difficult to
handle too much different prices.
And than my users which paid for one year of support (bug fixes and
help).

So I decided to add a new serial scheme to the 3.x plugins. This plugin
works in 3 modes:

First as the 2002 plugin offering all the functions form the 2.9 plugin,
but with less bugs and the possibility to try new stuff from this year
in the normal demo mode.

Second the 2003 plugin offering all the new features for this year like
Disc Burning (3.0pr1 is online and can burn Images and Folders...)

Third the 2003 Pro plugin which will offer additional stuff in the
future. Stuff which requires me to license something in order to be
allowed to add it to the plugin.
(Ideas: Stuffit, Zipfile support, Encryption libraries, etc.)

On the website is the new price scheme. 40 for 2002 and 70 for 2003.
Update for 25 from 2002 to 2003. Commercial and Pro doubles the price.
In the European Union the price is in Euro including 16% VAT. For the
rest of the world, the price is in US Dollar.

I hope you all understand that the plugins have no time limit. They'll
work forever.

And now, please your comments.

PS: Maybe some of you want directly a new 2002 serial so you can try if
the registration stuff works perfectly.

Mfg
Christian

Re: [MBS] Let's talk about the updates
Date: 05.01.03 04:08 (Sat, 04 Jan 2003 19:08:11 -0800)
From: Keith DeLong
> On the website is the new price scheme. 40 for 2002 and 70 for 2003.
> Update for 25 from 2002 to 2003. Commercial and Pro doubles the price.
> In the European Union the price is in Euro including 16% VAT. For the
> rest of the world, the price is in US Dollar.
>
> I hope you all understand that the plugins have no time limit. They'll
> work forever.
>
> And now, please your comments.

Hi Christian,
I think you're going to lose revenue (and time) with this new pricing fees
and complexity. In my case, waiting to see how this all plays out with 3.0
has caused me to delay registering the past several months. Given the new
pricing, I plan to wait additional months until I decide if I actually NEED
2002 or 2003, standard or pro... Today, the latest 2003 commercial price of
$140 for the one feature I may use in your plugin is a bit expensive.

Also, please consider that your current pricing/upgrade schedule is
encouraging me to delay registering. If I wait until I'm absolutely ready to
ship a product using your plugin, I'll get more plugin for the money.

As I wrote a couple of months ago, I much prefer the simplicity of
Einhugur's pricing structure. I pay a flat $35 annual fee for all the
plugins Björn develops and improves over a 12 month period. Even though I'm
not currently shipping an application using his plugins, I've gladly paid
his annual fee for 2 years to encourage his efforts. Doing so has kept me
experimenting with a number of his plugins for potential and future use. I'm
committed and engaged so I keep reregistering.

Most developers are not one time shoppers. If you keep developing and
improving your plugin, I gladly keep paying the annual fee. You get
recurring revenue stream and I get consistent improvements and cool new
features. This kind of pricing structure also solves the upgrade issue and a
host of other administrative complications.

If you'll offer a $25-35 single *annual* development license for your plugin
I think you'll see lots of new registrations from developers wanting to
encourage your ongoing efforts and THINKING about using your plugin in a
project.

I believe this will actually improve your revenue since 100 registrations X
$25 > 10 registrations * $140. And the good news for you is we'll be glad to
pay again next year and the year after. I think everyone wins.

My 2 cents,

Keith DeLong



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Re: [MBS] Let's talk about the updates
Date: 05.01.03 16:32 (Sun, 5 Jan 2003 16:32:00 +0100)
From: Christian Schmitz
> Hi Christian,
> I think you're going to lose revenue (and time) with this new pricing fees
> and complexity. In my case, waiting to see how this all plays out with 3.0
> has caused me to delay registering the past several months. Given the new
> pricing, I plan to wait additional months until I decide if I actually NEED
> 2002 or 2003, standard or pro... Today, the latest 2003 commercial price of
> $140 for the one feature I may use in your plugin is a bit expensive.

Okay.
Another way would be:

2003 private: $40
2003 commercial: $80

2002 -> 2003 private: $25
2002 -> 2003 commercial: $50

Pro doubles price.

But in this case, everyone has to buy the update to use new functions
and support for all 2.x versions is dropped.

Is this better?

Mfg
Christian

Re: [MBS] Let's talk about the updates
Date: 05.01.03 20:18 (Sun, 5 Jan 2003 14:18:30 -0500)
From: Christian Miller
This works for me. The previous scheme was confusing to me.

On Sunday, January 5, 2003, at 10:32 AM, Christian Schmitz wrote:

>> Hi Christian,
>> I think you're going to lose revenue (and time) with this new pricing
>> fees
>> and complexity. In my case, waiting to see how this all plays out
>> with 3.0
>> has caused me to delay registering the past several months. Given the
>> new
>> pricing, I plan to wait additional months until I decide if I
>> actually NEED
>> 2002 or 2003, standard or pro... Today, the latest 2003 commercial
>> price of
>> $140 for the one feature I may use in your plugin is a bit expensive.
>
> Okay.
> Another way would be:
>
> 2003 private: $40
> 2003 commercial: $80
>
> 2002 -> 2003 private: $25
> 2002 -> 2003 commercial: $50
>
> Pro doubles price.
>
> But in this case, everyone has to buy the update to use new functions
> and support for all 2.x versions is dropped.
>
> Is this better?
>
> Mfg
> Christian
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Re: [MBS] Let's talk about the updates
Date: 06.01.03 00:40 (Sun, 05 Jan 2003 15:40:43 -0800)
From: Keith DeLong
> Okay.
> Another way would be:
>
> 2003 private: $40
> 2003 commercial: $80
>
> 2002 -> 2003 private: $25
> 2002 -> 2003 commercial: $50
>
> Pro doubles price.
>
> But in this case, everyone has to buy the update to use new functions
> and support for all 2.x versions is dropped.
>
> Is this better?

Simpler, yes. And when I need an MBS function, I'll be willing to pay these
fees.

However I think you've missed my other point. I think the $80 first year and
$50 renewal level is steep enough to significantly reduce your registrations
and even further reduce those willing to give you upgrade revenue.

Re: [MBS] Let's talk about the updates
Date: 06.01.03 00:57 (Mon, 6 Jan 2003 00:57:20 +0100)
From: Christian Schmitz
> Simpler, yes. And when I need an MBS function, I'll be willing to pay these
> fees.
>
> However I think you've missed my other point. I think the $80 first year and
> $50 renewal level is steep enough to significantly reduce your registrations
> and even further reduce those willing to give you upgrade revenue.

Well, the new version on the website divides this in 4 updates.
$6, $12, $18 and $24 depending in which quarter of the year you
registered. (double for commercial)

And nobody needs to update as long as there is no feature in 3.x which
is worth the update price.

Mfg
Christian

Re: [MBS] Let's talk about the updates
Date: 05.01.03 03:20 (Sat, 4 Jan 2003 19:20:21 -0700)
From: Travis Hill
I think the eSellerate price for 2002 Q4 -> 2003 Commercial is wrong.
That's what I need to buy. Or is it....when does the professional
version go on sale and how do I upgrade to that edition?

Re: [MBS] Let's talk about the updates
Date: 06.01.03 12:49 (Mon, 6 Jan 2003 12:49:07 +0100)
From: Christian Schmitz
> I think the eSellerate price for 2002 Q4 -> 2003 Commercial is wrong.
> That's what I need to buy. Or is it....when does the professional
> version go on sale and how do I upgrade to that edition?

You are correct. I fix it.
Q4 is $12 for Commercial.

It may take some minutes, till eSellerate updates the shop.

Mfg
Christian

Re: [MBS] Let's talk about the updates
Date: 06.01.03 19:51 (Mon, 6 Jan 2003 11:51:17 -0700)
From: Travis Hill
Could you just clarify one more time what the pricing will be to
upgrade to the professional edition for commercial use from the
standard edition?

Thanks!

Re: [MBS] Let's talk about the updates
Date: 06.01.03 20:06 (Mon, 6 Jan 2003 20:06:31 +0100)
From: Christian Schmitz
> Could you just clarify one more time what the pricing will be to upgrade
> to the professional edition for commercial use from the standard edition?

The Pro plugin part is just a free addon to the normal plugin.
But new features may need additional licence fees which I will collect,
when needed.

From Private to Commercial the price is the price for a private version.
Paying two times for private makes the plugin a Commercial one.

From my database, I can see that you registered in November, so your
Commercial Update costs only $12.

Mfg
Christian

Re: [MBS] Let's talk about the updates
Date: 06.01.03 20:39 (Mon, 6 Jan 2003 12:39:25 -0700)
From: Travis Hill
Ahh, now I understand what the Pro part is. Thanks for working in such
convenient update fees. Just paid it...